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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Let me answer for him, "I do not recall."
    Eh Alberto! How are you? How's the job market going?

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Nice try.... you know damned well we are always talking about attacks on civilians on US soil.... but it was a nice try.
    It still hasn't technically been 8 years yet, you should have said, "almost 8 years."
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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Eh Alberto! How are you? How's the job market going?
    Hey....you! I don't recall how I'm doing, and it's a national secret about what I'm looking into.......
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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Nice try.... you know damned well we are always talking about attacks on civilians on US soil.... but it was a nice try.
    Oh so the last time I asked you about this you went off about attacks that happened during the clinton years that weren't on US Soil. So again you use qualifiers and forget about the anthrax attacks that happened on our soil and did kill americans which we still haven't found the culprit. By your same metric of qualifiers Clinton kept us safe for almost 8 years from foreign based attacks on US soil. He must have been doing something right and he brought the trade center bombers to justice and are still in jail.

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    the president went back on his word to leon panetta

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Nobody knows what occurred during that meeting. Actually having a national energy policy for once isn't a crime.




    Any evidence for Cheney directing federal employees to engage in political campaigns.




    Um no first the CIA "outed" Plame to the Cuban government through the Swiss embassy in Havana, then Joe Wilson outed his own wife when he was trying to get some credibility for his bull**** article about Nigerian uranium, a report which has since been proven completely false, and finally Richard Armitage outed her for no political reason what so ever.




    Such as?



    You mean steady economic growth and low unemployment rates? Ya Obama is certainly reversing on that policy and sending this country right down the toilet in the process. The democrats have controlled both Houses of Congress since 2006 and the Presidency for almost a year now. This is their mess, they own it.



    I was referring to the current topic. What law in relation to the alleged mistreatment of detainees has Cheney violated?
    You don't admit the hypocrisy of what you are saying here, do you?

    On the one hand, you are demanding proof of crimes while on the other hand you are advocating we stop any investigations of these crimes?!?!

    If Cheney is innocent, wouldn't you want that proved?

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    US Law: 113c 2340


    Now waterboarding is torture. The threat of being drowned to death is very real. It tricks the body into the effects of drowning by building up carbon dioxide in the lungs. The person feels the effects of drowning. So yes that would fit the definition of C and D. Also we have prosecuted waterboarding in the US and abroad.

    To give you an example in 83 a texas sheriff, James Parker and his deputies were prosecuted for waterboaring suspects to get false confessions.

    US Assistant Attorney Scott Woodward stated: the prisoners who were subjected to waterboarding were not "model citizens," but they were still "victims" of torture.

    The sheriff and his deputies were convicted and sent to prison.
    No they were convicted for "conspiring to force confessions" not for torture.

    Waterboarding is torture plain and simple. There's nothing subjective about it we've prosecuted it and have considered it to be torture.
    Lol, the word "severe" is entirely subjective. It's a subjective qualifier thus whether or not waterboarding is torture is your own opinion. Subjective qualifiers have no place in legal definitions.

    We prosecuted one of our own soldiers for doing it to a vietcong
    No it was a North Vietnamese POW not VC, he was protected by the Geneva Conventions, and entitled to POW status IE, he could not be subjected to ANY coercive or unpleasant treatment of ANY kind:

    "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind."

    International Humanitarian Law - Third 1949 Geneva Convention

    during the war and we prosecuted the japanese for doing it.
    The Japanese were not convicted for just waterboarding people, while they were being waterboarded they were, also, beaten and burned with cigarettes and so much water was pored that their stomachs became descended and then they would proceed to beat on the descended stomach. That is not in any way the same thing that occurred at Gitmo.

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the president went back on his word to leon panetta
    Good for him!! (of course that's BS & you know it but...what the hell....Did you overhear what Obama promised Panettea?)

    & even if that was true....So what?? (does he get a demerit like he should for using mustard on hamburgers?)
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-31-09 at 09:36 PM.

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You don't admit the hypocrisy of what you are saying here, do you?

    On the one hand, you are demanding proof of crimes while on the other hand you are advocating we stop any investigations of these crimes?!?!
    Um no I'm asking for what crime was actually committed in relation to the current topic, first I would like to see the statute which Cheney allegedly violated then we can talk about evidence. Now as to the other topics you have provided the crimes allegedly committed thus I would like to see evidence for the accusations.

    If Cheney is innocent, wouldn't you want that proved?
    Innocent of what?

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um no I'm asking for what crime was actually committed in relation to the current topic, first I would like to see the statute which Cheney allegedly violated then we can talk about evidence.
    Good......I take it that you fully back the idea of AG Holder investigating these things then.

    We are in agreement!!

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