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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Claiming someone is a “birther” in a vacuum of reality or the facts speaks volumes for your inability to structure a coherent argument.

    Please share with me how I am a "birther" and how that makes my comments less relevant.
    Oh i think youre incessant denial of reality in the birther threads pretty much explains itself

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So you do not believe that it is being a hypocrite or intellectually dishonest to claim that Bush should have raised taxes instead of cutting them and irresponsibly spent us into a deficit, regardless of the realities and merits at the time, but you support an Administration that has willfully spent the next two generations into a $1.8 trillion deficit without a single debate as to how to pay for it?

    You do not believe it is being a hypocrite or intellectually dishonest to rail about Bush fighting a war that was voted FOR in a bi-partisan fashion but ignores the FACT that Obama has continued that operation when he promised to end the war in Iraq and pull our troops out?

    I am sorry, but I think you should look up the term "rationalizing" in the dictionary if you think that you have been intellectually honest dealing with Palin, Bush or anyone else you have demagogue with hyperbolic rhetoric and fabricated facts.

    You support a political ideology that is based on hypocrisy and denigrating its political opponents with divisive partisan rhetoric, hyperbolic bile and with lies and distortions.

    I am stunned that you can even sit there and type such nonsense and not at least be slightly embarrassed by it. I believe that the fact that even if you claim you never made such comments, just remaining silent on the issue suggests that you found it “okay.”

    Partisan rhetoric at its most colourless stage.

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Pardon me, but I find the above hilarious to say the least.

    Admitting that you're setting the parameters of the debate, and then attacking someone when they choose not to acknowledge your set boundaries, is, quite simply, cheating.

    You would find yourself disqualified out of an academic debate, if, of course, this was one.

    And by the way, just so you know.

    Almost everything you have stated makes absolutely no sense at all.
    this, from the guy who recently devoted EIGHT FIVE posts in a SINGLE thread to advancing some extremely nebulous argument about "socialism" being a "code word" for racism by posturing that he makes no claims of "empiricial, scientific fact," but instead resorts only to his "judgement call"

    so he is therefore free to draw his own conclusions

    LOLOLOLOL!

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

    why, you most assuredly are, limit

    free to speculate and judgement call and conclude to your logical little thought patterns' content

    all in the scholarly name of "academic debate"

    now, that's HILARIOUS

    LOLOLOL!

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    1. If I had ever made such claims, then yes, that would be hypocritical, but I never made such claims.

    2. I was as against the Democrats that voted in favor of invading Iraq as I am against Bush and the Republicans. I have been against our involvement in Iraq from day 1 and I am not happy with Obama's progress towards getting us out. I am giving Obama a little time, in that he didn't campaign on the idea that he would pull our troops out the first day he took office, but about the year mark that Obama is in office, if he hasn't pulled out our troops, you can bet that I'm going to be criticizing his efforts as well.

    3. As far as Palin - Yes...absolutely I definitely criticized her, but criticism is not intellectual dishonesty. I was never part of the "I can see Alaska from my house" crowd. I don't think anything I wrote about Palin could be deemed intellectually dishonest. My criticism was based on her policies and the fact that personally I was scared to death to think that she would be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

    4. As far as remaining silent - True...I didn't really speak out against some of the most outrageous claims, but I haven't had much to say on the other side either. I try to stay away from the "Birther" arguments and the Obama is a Communist/Socialist wackos. I did get sucked in recently with the whole education speech because it was so outrageous in my mind and I found it fascinating that some people actually were trying to argue that the President shouldn't speak to kids about education.

    Again....I'm about as left-wing as you can get....but it doesn't mean that I adopt some of the leftist fringe that is beyond me.
    I am going to back down my comments and temper my opinion about you and take you for your word.

    I respect Kucinich because at least he is honest about his beliefs and doesn't try to pretend to be anything he isn't; although sometimes he is a raving loon as he was in his efforts to impeach for going to war.

    I will extend you the same courtesy and respect of your views regardless of my disagreement with them.

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Oh i think youre incessant denial of reality in the birther threads pretty much explains itself
    In other words, you have nothing once again. Bravo, at least you are consistent.

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I am going to back down my comments and temper my opinion about you and take you for your word.

    I respect Kucinich because at least he is honest about his beliefs and doesn't try to pretend to be anything he isn't; although sometimes he is a raving loon as he was in his efforts to impeach for going to war.

    I will extend you the same courtesy and respect of your views regardless of my disagreement with them.
    I would put my views in the same column as Kucinich. However, sometimes he is to the right of me.
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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    I am familiar with that crude form of debate.

    It is not serious, not beneficial, and more often than not, obstructs austere discourse.

    You deal in fantasies.

    I prefer reality.
    Suuuure you do.

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    But don't take it personally G-man....I enjoy finding people who are being hypocritcal and/or intellectually dishonest and pointing it out....just a hobby.
    If that's the case, you must spend a LOT of time pointing at yourself...

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    What would you do for a klondike bar? Create a hypothetical based on a logical fallacy...
    You've been shown how you are wrong.
    If you dont want to admit it to us, that's fine, but you shoudl at least admit it to yourself.

    A fact isn't open to intepretation like your personal interjection is. Thus far it cannot be proven that Bush's torture program stopped any plots and thus far failed to stop the embassy bombing in Iraq. So again if it was a fact it wouldn't be so easy to disprove.
    What you fail to recognize (or refuse to admit) is that in a hypothetical, NONE of the ASSUMED facts in the given have to be proven.

    The question itself is based on failed logic.
    You've been shown how you are wrong. Again.
    If you dont want to admit it to us, that's fine, but you shoudl at least admit it to yourself.

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Haughty terms?
    Yes ... terms that, at this point, you clearly dont understand.

    Now, man up, admit you've been trying to dodge the question, and then answer that question.

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