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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Hey Low Revs, you forget the rest to your signature...

    Social security = SOCIALIST Retirement Security
    Public schools = SOCIALIST Public Education
    Highways/Buses = SOCIALIST Transportation
    Medicare = SOCIALIST Healthcare
    Police Departments = SOCIALIST Protection
    1940's War Effort = SOCIALIST Nationalism
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Hey Low Revs, you forget the rest to your signature...

    Social security = SOCIALIST Retirement Security
    Public schools = SOCIALIST Public Education
    Highways/Buses = SOCIALIST Transportation
    Medicare = SOCIALIST Healthcare
    Police Departments = SOCIALIST Protection
    1940's War Effort = SOCIALIST Nationalism
    How did people get the idea that all government spending is socialist, and to claim as much somehow negates the argument against that which is?

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How did people get the idea that all government spending is socialist, and to claim as much somehow negates the argument against that which is?
    Publicly funded programs run by the government isn't socialist?

    News to me.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Publicly funded programs run by the government isn't socialist?
    News to me.
    Because you apparently aren't aware of the meaning of the term.

    "Socialist" programs are those that promote or contain socialist elements, those in which the governmnt owns/controls the means of producing and distributing wealth, usually but not necessarily including a component that engages in the redistribution of wealth through the welfare state.

    Thus, my wonderment as to how people got the idea that all government spending is socialist, and how to claim as much somehow negates the argument against that which is.

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Because you apparently aren't aware of the meaning of the term.

    "Socialist" programs are those that promote or contain socialist elements, those in which the governmnt owns/controls the means of producing and distributing wealth, usually but not necessarily including a component that engages in the redistribution of wealth through the welfare state.

    Thus, my wonderment as to how people got the idea that all government spending is socialist, and how to claim as much somehow negates the argument against that which is.
    Social security, Public schools, Highways/Buses, Medicare, Police Departments, 1940's War Effort.

    None of those apply? Especially considering your definition reiterates socialism "not necessarily includes a component that engages in the redistribution of wealth through the welfare state."
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Social security, Medicare
    Clearly.

    Public schools
    Highways/Buses,
    Police Departments,
    1940's War Effort.
    No. These do not have the components described.

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How did people get the idea that all government spending is socialist, and to claim as much somehow negates the argument against that which is?
    Generally, it's the argument put forth by the same people who claim conservatives demand 1) no taxes at all and 2) still demand the same breadth of government we have today, and point it out as though it's a contradiction in conservative thought.
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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Clearly.


    No. These do not have the components described.
    So the government does not oversee the public funding of highways and appropriate the funds to the contractors they deem qualified?

    Public schools are not publicly funded whereas the government deems which districts get which funds and for what reasons?

    The gov't doesn't appropriate publicly paid funds as they deem necessary to police forces?

    By the way, while we fought socialists we were never closer to socialism ourselves. The 1940's War Effort was government mandate that private corporations save "waste" such as metals, dye, and rubber, and must give such waste to the government for use in the war, thus appropriating the wealth of companies to the betterment of the nation.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    So the government does not oversee the public funding of highways and appropriate the funds to the contractors they deem qualified?
    Seeing as they are private contractors, the government does not control the means of production.

    Public schools are not publicly funded whereas the government deems which districts get which funds and for what reasons?

    The gov't doesn't appropriate publicly paid funds as they deem necessary to police forces?

    By the way, while we fought socialists we were never closer to socialism ourselves. The 1940's War Effort was government mandate that private corporations save "waste" such as metals, dye, and rubber, and must give such waste to the government for use in the war, thus appropriating the wealth of companies to the betterment of the nation.
    You seem to have the idea that any public spending of any kind of "socialist." That's the whole point. It's not.

    But I'll grant that nationalizing an industry is indeed a socialist measure.
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    Re: Cheney: Obama Should Be Debriefing, Not Investigating

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    So the government does not oversee the public funding of highways and appropriate the funds to the contractors they deem qualified?

    Public schools are not publicly funded whereas the government deems which districts get which funds and for what reasons?

    The gov't doesn't appropriate publicly paid funds as they deem necessary to police forces?
    You obviously still havent made it past the idea that not all government spending is socialist.

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