Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 44

Thread: Murdoch: unchecked BBC expansion is 'chilling'

  1. #21
    Sage
    Laila's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Seen
    04-28-17 @ 01:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    10,095

    Re: Murdoch: unchecked BBC expansion is 'chilling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Yes, but I also mean the values put out. The ideas of equality and multiculturalism and contempt for traditional social structures and authorities.

    Shakespeare was socially conservative in many ways and yet extremely entertaining.
    [/I]
    What is wrong with equality?

    Shakespeare is different

    Face it. Social conservatism is not entertaining and it is not popular amongst the youth nor would it pull in audiences.


  2. #22
    Sage
    Laila's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Seen
    04-28-17 @ 01:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    10,095

    Re: Murdoch: unchecked BBC expansion is 'chilling'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Well, Norton did have a show on Comedy Central for awhile. Didn't catch on. How come you don't like them? Did they do something particularly offensive or is just not your style?
    You all saved yourself alot of pain.

    Don't get me started on Ross. I have complained about him many times
    What a little tosser, rude, not funny and a waste of my license fee.
    I wouldn't pay a penny for him. I'd rather have a homeless person dancing drunk than him on my screen or radio.


  3. #23
    Dorset Patriot
    Wessexman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia(but my heart is back in Dorset.)
    Last Seen
    10-17-17 @ 04:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    8,468

    Re: Murdoch: unchecked BBC expansion is 'chilling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What is wrong with equality?
    Read my signature.

    A conservative believes that only equality before the law and moral equality are a good thing. He is skeptical of other kinds believing that humans are quite different and feels there is an eternal tension between liberty and equality.

    As Russell Kirk put it.

    The Kirk Center - Ten Conservative Principles by Russell Kirk

    Fifth, conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety. They feel affection for the proliferating intricacy of long-established social institutions and modes of life, as distinguished from the narrowing uniformity and deadening egalitarianism of radical systems. For the preservation of a healthy diversity in any civilization, there must survive orders and classes, differences in material condition, and many sorts of inequality. The only true forms of equality are equality at the Last Judgment and equality before a just court of law; all other attempts at levelling must lead, at best, to social stagnation. Society requires honest and able leadership; and if natural and institutional differences are destroyed, presently some tyrant or host of squalid oligarchs will create new forms of inequality.
    [quote]
    Shakespeare is different

    Face it. Social conservatism is not entertaining and it is not popular amongst the youth nor would it pull in audiences.
    I disagree and I'm a youth. It could be made entertaining. It might have to be slightly higher brow than the titillating social liberalism of Eastenders but it can be made entertaining enough.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

  4. #24
    Sage
    Laila's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Seen
    04-28-17 @ 01:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    10,095

    Re: Murdoch: unchecked BBC expansion is 'chilling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Read my signature.

    A conservative believes that only equality before the law and moral equality are a good thing. He is skeptical of other kinds believing that humans are quite different and feels there is an eternal tension between liberty and equality.

    I disagree and I'm a youth. It could be made entertaining. It might have to be slightly higher brow than the titillating social liberalism of Eastenders but it can be made entertaining enough.
    All well and good and i may agree with some aspects of it but still. I hardly see it as something negative if equality is shown.

    I am young ... sorta and i would laugh at anyone who mentioned social conservatism on my screen. I would turn over channel faster than a bat from hell.


  5. #25
    Dorset Patriot
    Wessexman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia(but my heart is back in Dorset.)
    Last Seen
    10-17-17 @ 04:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    8,468

    Re: Murdoch: unchecked BBC expansion is 'chilling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    All well and good and i may agree with some aspects of it but still. I hardly see it as something negative if equality is shown.
    To me it depends on how it is shown. In some ways, being a radical decentralist, I'm a lot more egalitarian than most conservatives. I don't much care for long, centralised hierarchies.

    I am young ... sorta and i would laugh at anyone who mentioned social conservatism on my screen. I would turn over channel faster than a bat from hell.
    No offense but you're ideologically opposed to it anyway. Let's remember that, although I don't really want to follow this exact model, the likes of Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh and such get good viewing figures in fact they dwarf their more liberal counterparts.

    Perhaps you're correct about the very low-brow stuff. I'm not expecting a socially conservative show in the spirit of BB but the medium and higher brow stuff could be a lot more balanced.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 08-28-09 at 11:51 PM.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

  6. #26
    Sage
    Laila's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Seen
    04-28-17 @ 01:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    10,095

    Re: Murdoch: unchecked BBC expansion is 'chilling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    To me it depends on how it is shown. In some ways, being a radical decentralist, I'm a lot more egalitarian than most conservatives. I don't much care for long, centralised hierarchies.

    No offense but you're ideologically opposed to it anyway. Let's remember that, although I don't really want to follow this exact model, the likes of Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh and such get good viewing figures in fact they dwarf their more liberal counterparts.

    Perhaps you're correct about the very low-brow stuff. I'm not expecting a socially conservative show in the spirit of BB but the medium and higher brow stuff could be a lot more balanced.
    That is the United States
    The Liberal side is weak (no offence US Libs) compared to their conservative counterparts.
    Their media sucks, where is the US version of the Guardian or BBC?
    They have **** like FOX. FOX for news for God sake.

    Btw LBC is pretty balanced in talkshows.
    Nick Ferrari = Conservative
    James O'Brien = Liberal
    Jeni Barnet = Liberal
    Steve Allen = SO conservative
    Livingston = Liberal/Communist like
    James Whale = Conservative

    Nice mix!

    Limbaugh? LOL!
    That nut would be laughed off air i mean come on.
    Hannity i could stand i suppose.
    Beck is just a person who likes shouting.

    Which out of those three are intelligent and can match up to people like Snow, Stephen Sackur, Paxman?
    Last edited by Laila; 08-28-09 at 11:56 PM.


  7. #27
    Dorset Patriot
    Wessexman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia(but my heart is back in Dorset.)
    Last Seen
    10-17-17 @ 04:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    8,468

    Re: Murdoch: unchecked BBC expansion is 'chilling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    That is the United States
    The Liberal side is weak (no offence US Libs) compared to their conservative counterparts.
    Their media sucks, where is the US version of the Guardian or BBC?
    They have **** like FOX. FOX for news for God sake.

    Limbaugh? LOL!
    That nut would be laughed off air i mean come on.
    Hannity i could stand i suppose.
    Beck is just a person who likes shouting.

    Which out of those three are intelligent and can match up to people like Snow, Stephen Sackur, Paxman?
    They're not kind of conservatives as probably have realised but they show what can be achieved.

    I wouldn't write off British conservatives, after all the Daily Mail and The Sun are the biggest selling of Britain's newspapers I believe.

    Bottom line though is that the media, as Anthony Sampson shows in his Who runs this place?, is probably the biggest single power base in our nation today. If social conservatives cannot get some more balance then they might as well give up and admit defeat because it is unlikely they will succeed with gaining some ground in the media. And the way I see it the more subtle values being put out in the entertainment based media programs are at least as important. These are more subtle and more insidious and pervade our entire culture. This is why even Fox can't turn back the tide in the US because they don't take on Hollywood(also they are wedded to corporate-capitalism and consumerism and such which break down traditional social structures but that is a different story.).
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

  8. #28
    Sage
    Laila's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Seen
    04-28-17 @ 01:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    10,095

    Re: Murdoch: unchecked BBC expansion is 'chilling'

    Accept defeat i suggest.
    We cannot turn back the clock.
    UK has liberalised more, accept it and try to work with it rather than fight against it.

    Tories may have their chance with their whole "family" focus they have. I doubt it will suceed but hey.


  9. #29
    Dorset Patriot
    Wessexman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia(but my heart is back in Dorset.)
    Last Seen
    10-17-17 @ 04:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    8,468

    Re: Murdoch: unchecked BBC expansion is 'chilling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Accept defeat i suggest.
    We cannot turn back the clock.
    UK has liberalised more, accept it and try to work with it rather than fight against it.

    Tories may have their chance with their whole "family" focus they have. I doubt it will suceed but hey.
    However as a conservative and decentralist I'd be very remiss to accept defeat because of the disasters I believe will accompany social liberalism, corporate-capitalism and centralisation. To quote Russell Kirk again:

    If natural and institutional differences are destroyed, presently Bonaparte will fill the vacuum.


    Rome liberalised under Augustus and Athens did after the Peloponnesean war and after all it is such paradigms of liberty like the Jacobins who are social liberals great masters in their crusade.

    I don't think the situation however is a dire as you paint it. Or at least I hope not. It is the media that is driving things, if we can claw back some balance we might be able to at least halt the decline.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 08-29-09 at 12:11 AM.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

  10. #30
    Sage
    Laila's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Seen
    04-28-17 @ 01:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    10,095

    Re: Murdoch: unchecked BBC expansion is 'chilling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't think the situation however is a dire as you paint it. Or at least I hope not. It is the media that is driving things, if we can claw back some balance we might be able to at least halt the decline.
    It depends.
    Where do you stand on accepted issues or rather issues that have a consensus amongst many of the public like ...

    Gay marriage, Abortion, Gay clergymen, Stem cell ... all those controversial issues i'd say the public is more than likely to fall on the liberal side

    No need to be so disheartened.
    I'm sure the country will be in safe hands with us liberals lol
    Last edited by Laila; 08-29-09 at 12:29 AM.


Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •