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Just to give everyone an idea of what it would take to manage something like this. This is a picture of a diagram of a University Network I found. Take it and literally multiply it by a few million and thats what you would be looking at:

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:)LISTEN - - - The govt already has control of the Highways, the TVs and Radios, and can even incorporate Marshall Law in case of emergency! (Bush even had control over our phones WITHOUT imminent emergency)

The dems are simply on the ball with that whole Homeland Security hoopla thing.

They already have arrangements in fact with Walmart and private higher education networks in case of emergency.
 
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JakeFromWI said:
:)LISTEN - - - The govt already has control of the Highways, the TVs and Radios, and can even incorporate Marshall Law in case of emergency! (Bush even had control over our phones WITHOUT imminent emergency)

The dems are simply on the ball with that whole Homeland Security hoopla thing.

They already have arrangements in fact with Walmart and private higher education networks in case of emergency.
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And this is a good thing?
 
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DeeJayH said:
is there a good reason why this is even being considered, much less written
I do not get it

cant delete OP huh?
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There's no good reason. It's up there with the vast expansion of government power. Soon we'll all have nationalized, RFIDs we have to carry around so the government an keep track of us. They'll listen in to our phones, they'll put up more cameras. Don't question the authority, they know what they're doing.
 
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Redress said:
Apparently not as dumb as certain conservatives. By the way, I know intellectual honesty is hard, but nowhere did I say, or even suggest, that the next president will be a republican. If republicans cannot get more effective and find some better leaders and a better, positive message, it might be 16 or more years before the next republican president.
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Believe it or not Redress,,,I'm a Conservative. NOT a Republican.:) Both Parties lost my backing long ago.:lol:

Take care.
 
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American said:
And this is a good thing?
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Well, you didn't complain about the govt having emergency powers to do any of those things (tv, radio, highways, marshall law). You didn't complain when the last administration wire tapped calls WITHOUT emergency cause.

If used in an IMMINENT emergency, its an excellent provision.

I would be worried if the legislator (note I didn't say Obama, as far as the information given, he has nothing to do with this piece of legislation) gave such powers to the for fun rather than in an emergency.

We are just keeping up. It's the same reason we have digital tv now...so the govt can control the UHF/VHF waves in time of emergency (Digital Television Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005 )
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Just to give everyone an idea of what it would take to manage something like this. This is a picture of a diagram of a University Network I found. Take it and literally multiply it by a few million and thats what you would be looking at:

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Thanks,,,:lol: A Block Diagram of a University.:lol:

Think about how "Useful" the graduates will be, in the "Real World".:lol: Possibly after 2-3 years, they might be able to grasp Reality.:lol:
 
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Realist1 said:
Thanks,,,:lol: A Block Diagram of a University.:lol:

Think about how "Useful" the graduates will be, in the Real World".:lol: Possibly after 2-3 years, they might be able to grasp Reality.:lol:
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Way cool. But its not EVERY NETWORK. Only networks that have already or will consent to such. Like Walmart's network as a a backup, and private higher education networks as backup for the govt.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Another flaw in this bill is that even if the government had access to provisioning at every major provider so they could shut down access to a data center in the event of an emergency, its not as if the government would ever pay enough to attract the talent needed to actually be able to do it.

Something tells me that federal government pay for the network engineers with the kind of knowledge necessary for such a responsibility is not going to be competitive with companies like Google or Akamai.
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I'm sure they can find a group of 5-10 engineers that they can pay a reoccurring $500million annual contract to sit on standby. Of course if anything ever happened and work needed to be preformed the hourly rates would kick in.
 
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Too bad you cant use the "Obama is a dictator and controls every aspect of my life, so the idea of protecting IT in emergency situations is just a conspiracy to own my internet rights although previous administrations who drafted rules on emergency control over tv, radio, highways and Marshall Law are for our protection as well as non-emergency wire tapping of citizen's phones by the previous administration" argument.

Moving right along...
 
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JakeFromWI said:
Way cool. But its not EVERY NETWORK. Only networks that have already or will consent to such. Like Walmart's network as a a backup, and private higher education networks as backup for the govt.
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It's what is presented. By Liberals all the time. As you do now.:lol: You've a problem with Walmart. :roll: Don't work there. :lol: Case solved.

I didn't have to "propose" a "Govt" Program, and spend millions to tell you that.:lol:
 
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DeeJayH said:
is there a good reason why this is even being considered, much less written
I do not get it

cant delete OP huh?
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You should realize that there are people "out there", Islamics for one, who do not wish our nation well.
Others are the Malfa, the KKK, the "Aryan Brotherhood" and other criminal groups.
We must take appropriate safeguards.
 
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earthworm said:
You should realize that there are people "out there", Islamics for one, who do not wish our nation well.
Others are the Malfa, the KKK, the "Aryan Brotherhood" and other criminal groups.
We must take appropriate safeguards.
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A cyber attack is more likely to come from Russia, Easten Europe, or China.

In any case, the safeguards should be in place no matter who the attacker is. Be it some Islamic extremist or the 90 year old christian woman next door.
 
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Where did I imply I have a problem with Walmart?

I don't in regards to their willingness to allow the gov't to use their network for emergency purposes for a small yearly "insurance fee." Its a good idea that has already been arranged - considering they have the largest non gov't idependent network in the world. This bill is just entitling the president (present or future) to make executive decisions regarding such emergency power and denoting who will be the experts utilizing such powers.

Very similar to laws we have passed denoting specifics regarding Gov't seizure of the highways (it is why they were built afterall), television, radio, and Marshall Law.

It sounds to me like an excellent measure against terrorist cyber attacks and good for homeland security. Something I figured mattered to cons.
 
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Realist1 said:
The Dems better "have a talk" soon with the President....:roll:

Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET News


Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.



The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.
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This is a rather terrifying prospect that shouldn't even be realistically considered. No one person should be given that kind of control, regardless of who they are. However, I don't think that this is reason to believe that there is anything somehow sinister going on. It's just a very bad idea.
 
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DeeJay, no counterpoint to an idea like a measure against terrorist cyber attacks that's great for homeland security?
 
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JakeFromWI said:
DeeJay, no counterpoint to an idea like a measure against terrorist cyber attacks that's great for homeland security?
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I don't understand though, what does our internet access grid have anything to do with the governments own private network grid?
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
This is a rather terrifying prospect that shouldn't even be realistically considered. No one person should be given that kind of control, regardless of who they are. However, I don't think that this is reason to believe that there is anything somehow sinister going on. It's just a very bad idea.
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Are you terrified that the gov't has control over tv, radio, highways and even the option of Marshall Law in case of emergency as well?
 
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JakeFromWI said:
Are you terrified that the gov't has control over tv, radio, highways and even the option of Marshall Law in case of emergency as well?
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Not as much. The internet is a much more powerful tool, in my opinion and far too many people and businesses rely on it. I don't think its unreasonable for people to be wary of this.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
Not as much. The internet is a much more powerful tool, in my opinion and far too many people and businesses rely on it. I don't think its unreasonable for people to be wary of this.
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Your right. But so does the government. In case the govt's network failed or was attacked, isn't nice to know they have a backup...

If the government's network was compromised, the situation would be quite serious and I'd think they'd put more logistical use to private networks than Walmart in time of emergency.
 
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kaya,

In the other thread with a similar title, I posted the following:

Objective Voice said:
I know it's Hollywood at it's best, but I'm reminded of the movie "Live Free or Die Harders". Is it possible that events as those depicted in that movie could happen? I say "YES". It's already a known fact that there are vunerablilities in some of our utilities grids. Water, eletricity, banking...most of these entities are controlled largely by computers or are intriquetly linked to the Internet. When you really stop and think about it, I can understand why in a 21st Century world our government would be considering giving emergency powers to the President (or someone within the White House) the ability to take charge of cyber activites in a major crisis.

We're in a post-9/11 world and cyber attacks have been occuring at various levels of private and government sectors for a while. They just aren't readily reported, but it happens. How successful this nation has been at stopping such attacks is up for debate, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't give strong consideration for planning against such cyber attacks including giving emergency powers to the President.

Again, we view such powers as treading on our privacy, and I can completely understand the nervousness in that regard as it applies to day-to-day life or the government's ability to swoop in and do whatever it wants. But we have to look at this issue from 21st Century threats and recognize it's not about the day-to-day access, but "in the event of a national emergency where the security of our public/private utility/cyber-grids are threatened." I wouldn't necessarily give up sweeping powers, but I'd be okay with a government/private sector partnership in this regard.
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Hope this sheds some light on the matter.
 
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kaya'08 said:
I don't understand though, what does our internet access grid have anything to do with the governments own private network grid?
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In the event of an attack on, or failure of the government network, the government has the right to use private networks as backup as a measure to protect the US infrastructure.

Read for yourself:

"SEC. 18. CYBERSECURITY RESPONSIBILITIES AND AUTHORITY.

The President--

(1) within 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, shall develop and implement a comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy, which shall include--

(A) a long-term vision of the Nation’s cybersecurity future; and

(B) a plan that encompasses all aspects of national security, including the participation of the private sector, including critical infrastructure operators and managers;

(2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network;

(3) shall designate an agency to be responsible for coordinating the response and restoration of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network affected by a cybersecurity emergency declaration under paragraph (2);

(4) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, review equipment that would be needed after a cybersecurity attack and develop a strategy for the acquisition, storage, and periodic replacement of such equipment;

(5) shall direct the periodic mapping of Federal Government and United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks, and shall develop metrics to measure the effectiveness of the mapping process;

(6) may order the disconnection of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks in the interest of national security;

(7) shall, through the Office of Science and Technology Policy, direct an annual review of all Federal cyber technology research and development investments;

(8) may delegate original classification authority to the appropriate Federal official for the purposes of improving the Nation’s cybersecurity posture;

(9) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, promulgate rules for Federal professional responsibilities regarding cybersecurity, and shall provide to the Congress an annual report on Federal agency compliance with those rules;

(10) shall withhold additional compensation, direct corrective action for Federal personnel, or terminate a Federal contract in violation of Federal rules, and shall report any such action to the Congress in an unclassified format within 48 hours after taking any such action; and

(11) shall notify the Congress within 48 hours after providing a cyber-related certification of legality to a United States person."
 
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Objective Voice said:
kaya,

In the other thread with a similar title, I posted the following:



Hope this sheds some light on the matter.
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JakeFromWI said:
In the event of an attack on, or failure of the government network, the government has the right to use private networks as backup as a measure to protect the US infrastructure.

Read for yourself:

"SEC. 18. CYBERSECURITY RESPONSIBILITIES AND AUTHORITY.

The President--

(1) within 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, shall develop and implement a comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy, which shall include--

(A) a long-term vision of the Nation’s cybersecurity future; and

(B) a plan that encompasses all aspects of national security, including the participation of the private sector, including critical infrastructure operators and managers;

(2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network;

(3) shall designate an agency to be responsible for coordinating the response and restoration of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network affected by a cybersecurity emergency declaration under paragraph (2);

(4) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, review equipment that would be needed after a cybersecurity attack and develop a strategy for the acquisition, storage, and periodic replacement of such equipment;

(5) shall direct the periodic mapping of Federal Government and United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks, and shall develop metrics to measure the effectiveness of the mapping process;

(6) may order the disconnection of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks in the interest of national security;

(7) shall, through the Office of Science and Technology Policy, direct an annual review of all Federal cyber technology research and development investments;

(8) may delegate original classification authority to the appropriate Federal official for the purposes of improving the Nation’s cybersecurity posture;

(9) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, promulgate rules for Federal professional responsibilities regarding cybersecurity, and shall provide to the Congress an annual report on Federal agency compliance with those rules;

(10) shall withhold additional compensation, direct corrective action for Federal personnel, or terminate a Federal contract in violation of Federal rules, and shall report any such action to the Congress in an unclassified format within 48 hours after taking any such action; and

(11) shall notify the Congress within 48 hours after providing a cyber-related certification of legality to a United States person."
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Thank you helpful people :2wave:
 
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