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Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET New

Re: B.O. wants "Control' of the Internet.

As far as I can tell, the President has nothing to do with this as of yet. Shouldn't we be talking to the people drafting the bill? I'm just curious how everything is Obama's fault. He is not in control of Congress. That is why we have checks and balances. If the bill even made it through congress and then onto the president's desk, then we could send him e-mails. Until then, he can't do much really if they want to proceed.
every thing is blamed on BO because he is a single person and has a lot of power (that he didn't earn) and proposes a lot of bills
 
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Sounds like you should be writing out a contribution to the ACLU so they can challenge this in court.

If the entire Body of the A.C.L.U was dying of dehydration,,,I wouldn't piss down their collective throats.:lol:
 
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Oh yeah, they have emergency control over television when needed also. Thats why televisions are digital now. So the govt could use the analog signals. Thats why you see weekly emergency tests on your television as well.

Televisions are digital because that is the better quality and most widely used service. They killed off the UHF/VHF transmissions because MOST people have purchased a new TV in the past 30 years and don't require those transmissions so keeping this transmissions alive is a waste of money.

It's not a government conspiracy. :roll:
 
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Why are you folks getting so off topic. Like I said....

The govt already has control of the Highways, the TVs and Radios and even can incorporate Marshall Law in case of emergency.

I'd start complaining if the government (not even just Obama as the cons are putting it) just wanted control of the internet for fun!
 
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every thing is blamed on BO because he is a single person and has a lot of power (that he didn't earn) and proposes a lot of bills

"That he didn't earn?" Um, he was elected to his office. I would like to know what bills he has written that have made it to the floor of Congress. Please, links.
 
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When 130 million credit/debit card #'s can be stolen something has to be done. This is not about people hacking a phone system to see if they can this is people ripping fellow citizens off.
 
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If the entire Body of the A.C.L.U was dying of dehydration,,,I wouldn't piss down their collective throats.:lol:

Well, being that they have been involved in about 80% of the civil liberties cases over the last 75 years, that would be a mistake.

This is a bad idea. Companies with sufficient bandwidth in their data centers that which a cyber attack on the United States government could be launched from have a significant financial motive to prevent their networks from being compromised in the first place. Thus while the risk of cyber attack against the United States is a significant one and while I am sure the intentions behind this bill are good in that they are trying to defend the United States against such a costly attack, its still unnecessary.

However, I am also sure that many of the same people that excused warrantless wiretaps, something much more dangerous than this bill in terms of its potential to infringe upon civil liberties, are many of the same people that are throwing a fit over this.
 
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Doesn't the government already control all IP addresses and domain names anyway? From what I understand we just lease these from the government. So essentially they could easily shut down the internet by temporarily freezing our access to IP Addresses. I could be over simplifying this though...
 
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Televisions are digital because that is the better quality and most widely used service. They killed off the UHF/VHF transmissions because MOST people have purchased a new TV in the past 30 years and don't require those transmissions so keeping this transmissions alive is a waste of money.

It's not a government conspiracy. :roll:

I know. I'm saying they can use the analog frequencies in case of emergency WITHOUT necessarily interfering with our televisions. However I must say, since when did the gov't mandate anything because of trends in the private sector silly. It simply has to do with the extra available frequencies.

Digital TV Transition and Public Safety Act
 
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When 130 million credit/debit card #'s can be stolen something has to be done. This is not about people hacking a phone system to see if they can this is people ripping fellow citizens off.

But it's not just about individual bank accts; it's about corporate financial records, shutting down communications lines and power grids, turning off water supplies, taking over satelites (communications and defense). Nearly everything we do now is done via some form of electronic circuitry or is inter-connected to the Internet. If you don't give due consideration to cyber-security at corporate or government levels and give real considerations as to what to do where national security is concerned, you've placed yourselves and this country way behind the 8-ball.
 
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You admit: Won't know till the bill is in final form. but,,,you attack the Republicans.:lol:

A Liberal true to form,,,and without a speck of Common Sense. So willing to "give away your Rights". :roll:

A) I am not giving away any rights. I am understanding that emergency situations should have plans of action.

B) Nowhere in this thread have I attacked Republicans. Intellectual honesty will make your point better than lies and exaggeration any day.
 
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An Emergency,,,declared by B.O.?:lol: Our "Rights" being controlled by him?:roll: And you give your Blessing?:lol:

Bloody Hell.

Declared by the president, which may or may not be Barack Obama at the time. Do you really think democrats are so dumb as to give the next republican president powers that could be used against us without safeguards?
 
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Well, being that they have been involved in about 80% of the civil liberties cases over the last 75 years, that would be a mistake.

This is a bad idea. Companies with sufficient bandwidth in their data centers that which a cyber attack on the United States government could be launched from have a significant financial motive to prevent their networks from being compromised in the first place. Thus while the risk of cyber attack against the United States is a significant one and while I am sure the intentions behind this bill are good in that they are trying to defend the United States against such a costly attack, its still unnecessary.

However, I am also sure that many of the same people that excused warrantless wiretaps, something much more dangerous than this bill in terms of its potential to infringe upon civil liberties, are many of the same people that are throwing a fit over this.

I'm talking about the A.C.L.U.:lol B.O. taking control of YOUR ,(and mine) Internet Access, You're telling me this:

while I am sure the intentions behind this bill are good :roll: Bite me.

Have I made myself clear?
 
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Doesn't the government already control all IP addresses and domain names anyway? From what I understand we just lease these from the government. So essentially they could easily shut down the internet by temporarily freezing our access to IP Addresses. I could be over simplifying this though...

They ultimately allocate IPs to tier one providers. However, they have no way of "freezing our access to IP Addresses". In order for the government to actually shut down access to a data center in the event of an emergency, they would have to have access to provisioning with the providers.
 
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I'm talking about the A.C.L.U.:lol B.O. taking control of YOUR ,(and mine) Internet Access, You're telling me this:

while I am sure the intentions behind this bill are good :roll: Bite me.

Have I made myself clear?

Obama is not taking control of anything. It's the office of the president, which may or may not be Obama at the time. When you realize this little fact, you realize that this probably is not some heinous democratic plot.
 
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I'm talking about the A.C.L.U.:lol B.O. taking control of YOUR ,(and mine) Internet Access, You're telling me this:

while I am sure the intentions behind this bill are good :roll: Bite me.

Have I made myself clear?


WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

LISTEN - - - The govt already has control of the Highways, the TVs and Radios, and can even incorporate Marshall Law in case of emergency! (Bush even had control over our phones WITHOUT imminent emergency)

The dems are simply on the ball with that whole Homeland Security hoopla thing.

Have I made myself clear?
 
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Declared by the president, which may or may not be Barack Obama at the time. Do you really think democrats are so dumb as to give the next republican president powers that could be used against us without safeguards?

Is this a trick question?:lol: You're asking me, how dumb Democrats are.:lol: At the same time recognizing the "Next President' will be Republican.:doh

What the Hell...:2wave:
 
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I'm talking about the A.C.L.U.:lol B.O. taking control of YOUR ,(and mine) Internet Access, You're telling me this:

while I am sure the intentions behind this bill are good :roll: Bite me.

Have I made myself clear?

Being I have worked my entire adult life in IT, I happen to know what I am talking about. This bill would have nothing to do with monitoring individual internet access. Its a bill that would allow the government to shut off access to a datacenter in the event of an emergency. The reason why the government wants to do so is that the potential threat posed by a cyber attack on government infrastructure is a very significant one and could result in a huge economic cost.

Thus, the intentions behind it are good. The IT security industry has been lobbying for this for years. However, just because the intentions behind a bill are good, does not mean the bill is a good idea. The problem with giving the government the ability to shut down access to a data center is that you would have to give the government login access to provisioning at every major provider. The costs of doing so is probably greater than the costs of a potential cyber attack.

Moreover, I would point out that giving the government that kind of access would mean that ultimately a providers security is only as good as the governments and the government does not have that great of a record.
 
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WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

LISTEN - - - The govt already has control of the Highways, the TVs and Radios, and can even incorporate Marshall Law in case of emergency! (Bush even had control over our phones WITHOUT imminent emergency)

The dems are simply on the ball with that whole Homeland Security hoopla thing.

Have I made myself clear?

Oh yeah,,,you think "you're in control". As B.O. is.:lol: "Less than 1 year", he's lost you all your advantage.:)

Good Bye.:lol:
 
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Is this a trick question?:lol: You're asking me, how dumb Democrats are.:lol: At the same time recognizing the "Next President' will be Republican.:doh

What the Hell...:2wave:

Apparently not as dumb as certain conservatives. By the way, I know intellectual honesty is hard, but nowhere did I say, or even suggest, that the next president will be a republican. If republicans cannot get more effective and find some better leaders and a better, positive message, it might be 16 or more years before the next republican president.
 
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Oh yeah,,,you think "you're in control". As B.O. is.:lol: "Less than 1 year", he's lost you all your advantage.:)

Good Bye.:lol:

Excellent Argument. Because Obama is a dictator and controls every aspect of your life, the idea of protecting IT is just a conspiracy to own your internet rights.

But previous administrations who drafted rules on emergency control over tv, radio, highways and Marshall Law - Those are for our protection.
 
Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET

Another flaw in this bill is that even if the government had access to provisioning at every major provider so they could shut down access to a data center in the event of an emergency, its not as if the government would ever pay enough to attract the talent needed to actually be able to do it.

Something tells me that federal government pay for the network engineers with the kind of knowledge necessary for such a responsibility is not going to be competitive with companies like Google or Akamai.
 
Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.
They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.

The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

is there a good reason why this is even being considered, much less written
I do not get it

cant delete OP huh?
 
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Being I have worked my entire adult life in IT, I happen to know what I am talking about. This bill would have nothing to do with monitoring individual internet access. Its a bill that would allow the government to shut off access to a datacenter in the event of an emergency. The reason why the government wants to do so is that the potential threat posed by a cyber attack on government infrastructure is a very significant one and could result in a huge economic cost.

Thus, the intentions behind it are good. The IT security industry has been lobbying for this for years. However, just because the intentions behind a bill are good, does not mean the bill is a good idea. The problem with giving the government the ability to shut down access to a data center is that you would have to give the government login access to provisioning at every major provider. The costs of doing so is probably greater than the costs of a potential cyber attack.

Moreover, I would point out that giving the government that kind of access would mean that ultimately a providers security is only as good as the governments and the government does not have that great of a record.

True,,,B.O. is in an EMERGENCY... Its a bill that would allow the government to shut off access to a datacenter in the event of an emergency[/B

Democrats are in a constant state of EMERGENCY. :lol: Therefore,,,they've the "Right" to limit whatever Website they don't like.:lol:

According to them.:mrgreen:
 
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