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    Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Not as much. The internet is a much more powerful tool, in my opinion and far too many people and businesses rely on it. I don't think its unreasonable for people to be wary of this.
    Your right. But so does the government. In case the govt's network failed or was attacked, isn't nice to know they have a backup...

    If the government's network was compromised, the situation would be quite serious and I'd think they'd put more logistical use to private networks than Walmart in time of emergency.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

    kaya,

    In the other thread with a similar title, I posted the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I know it's Hollywood at it's best, but I'm reminded of the movie "Live Free or Die Harders". Is it possible that events as those depicted in that movie could happen? I say "YES". It's already a known fact that there are vunerablilities in some of our utilities grids. Water, eletricity, banking...most of these entities are controlled largely by computers or are intriquetly linked to the Internet. When you really stop and think about it, I can understand why in a 21st Century world our government would be considering giving emergency powers to the President (or someone within the White House) the ability to take charge of cyber activites in a major crisis.

    We're in a post-9/11 world and cyber attacks have been occuring at various levels of private and government sectors for a while. They just aren't readily reported, but it happens. How successful this nation has been at stopping such attacks is up for debate, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't give strong consideration for planning against such cyber attacks including giving emergency powers to the President.

    Again, we view such powers as treading on our privacy, and I can completely understand the nervousness in that regard as it applies to day-to-day life or the government's ability to swoop in and do whatever it wants. But we have to look at this issue from 21st Century threats and recognize it's not about the day-to-day access, but "in the event of a national emergency where the security of our public/private utility/cyber-grids are threatened." I wouldn't necessarily give up sweeping powers, but I'd be okay with a government/private sector partnership in this regard.
    Hope this sheds some light on the matter.

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    Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I don't understand though, what does our internet access grid have anything to do with the governments own private network grid?
    In the event of an attack on, or failure of the government network, the government has the right to use private networks as backup as a measure to protect the US infrastructure.

    Read for yourself:

    "SEC. 18. CYBERSECURITY RESPONSIBILITIES AND AUTHORITY.

    The President--

    (1) within 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, shall develop and implement a comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy, which shall include--

    (A) a long-term vision of the Nationís cybersecurity future; and

    (B) a plan that encompasses all aspects of national security, including the participation of the private sector, including critical infrastructure operators and managers;

    (2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network;

    (3) shall designate an agency to be responsible for coordinating the response and restoration of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network affected by a cybersecurity emergency declaration under paragraph (2);

    (4) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, review equipment that would be needed after a cybersecurity attack and develop a strategy for the acquisition, storage, and periodic replacement of such equipment;

    (5) shall direct the periodic mapping of Federal Government and United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks, and shall develop metrics to measure the effectiveness of the mapping process;

    (6) may order the disconnection of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks in the interest of national security;

    (7) shall, through the Office of Science and Technology Policy, direct an annual review of all Federal cyber technology research and development investments;

    (8) may delegate original classification authority to the appropriate Federal official for the purposes of improving the Nationís cybersecurity posture;

    (9) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, promulgate rules for Federal professional responsibilities regarding cybersecurity, and shall provide to the Congress an annual report on Federal agency compliance with those rules;

    (10) shall withhold additional compensation, direct corrective action for Federal personnel, or terminate a Federal contract in violation of Federal rules, and shall report any such action to the Congress in an unclassified format within 48 hours after taking any such action; and

    (11) shall notify the Congress within 48 hours after providing a cyber-related certification of legality to a United States person."
    Last edited by JakeFromWI; 08-28-09 at 05:42 PM.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    kaya,

    In the other thread with a similar title, I posted the following:



    Hope this sheds some light on the matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    In the event of an attack on, or failure of the government network, the government has the right to use private networks as backup as a measure to protect the US infrastructure.

    Read for yourself:

    "SEC. 18. CYBERSECURITY RESPONSIBILITIES AND AUTHORITY.

    The President--

    (1) within 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, shall develop and implement a comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy, which shall include--

    (A) a long-term vision of the Nationís cybersecurity future; and

    (B) a plan that encompasses all aspects of national security, including the participation of the private sector, including critical infrastructure operators and managers;

    (2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network;

    (3) shall designate an agency to be responsible for coordinating the response and restoration of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network affected by a cybersecurity emergency declaration under paragraph (2);

    (4) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, review equipment that would be needed after a cybersecurity attack and develop a strategy for the acquisition, storage, and periodic replacement of such equipment;

    (5) shall direct the periodic mapping of Federal Government and United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks, and shall develop metrics to measure the effectiveness of the mapping process;

    (6) may order the disconnection of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks in the interest of national security;

    (7) shall, through the Office of Science and Technology Policy, direct an annual review of all Federal cyber technology research and development investments;

    (8) may delegate original classification authority to the appropriate Federal official for the purposes of improving the Nationís cybersecurity posture;

    (9) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, promulgate rules for Federal professional responsibilities regarding cybersecurity, and shall provide to the Congress an annual report on Federal agency compliance with those rules;

    (10) shall withhold additional compensation, direct corrective action for Federal personnel, or terminate a Federal contract in violation of Federal rules, and shall report any such action to the Congress in an unclassified format within 48 hours after taking any such action; and

    (11) shall notify the Congress within 48 hours after providing a cyber-related certification of legality to a United States person."
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    Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

    Kaya

    You're welcome.

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    Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There's no good reason. It's up there with the vast expansion of government power. Soon we'll all have nationalized, RFIDs we have to carry around so the government an keep track of us. They'll listen in to our phones, they'll put up more cameras. Don't question the authority, they know what they're doing.
    One problem I always have with people who spout off things like this is there's always this touch of paranoia "oh noes! the government is going to control everything!!! It's going to be 1984!!!" without looking at how hard most of the slippery slope results would be, not to mention the use of civilian oversight. We all remember how bad bush got hammered. Do yourself a favor and take off the Tinfoil Hat.
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    Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

    I love how they lay off when we prove through actual words in the bill what this means. I haven't even presented all of the protections against attack on the private sector it mandates, including new mandatory qualifications necessary to set up a secure network.

    The scared ones should read the bill for themselves before they start screaming dictatorship.

    Bill
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    Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Not as much. The internet is a much more powerful tool, in my opinion and far too many people and businesses rely on it. I don't think its unreasonable for people to be wary of this.
    To me the problem is that yes, it's a much more powerful tool, and as such, a coordinated attack would be that much more devastating. We do need a plan to protect us from such an attack, which is what this seems to be. Whether it is a good plan, I am not qualified to say, but having a plan is to my mind important.

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    Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET

    To me this is an important control to have in place in case of emergency. And let's not make it a liberal vs conservative issue. This goes beyond the usual partisan divide.

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    Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

    I want Congress to pass a bill that allows me to give Obama electric shocks at his desk every time he does something I don't like.
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