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    Re: B.O. wants "Control' of the Internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    I'm talking about the A.C.L.U.:lol B.O. taking control of YOUR ,(and mine) Internet Access, You're telling me this:

    while I am sure the intentions behind this bill are good Bite me.

    Have I made myself clear?
    Obama is not taking control of anything. It's the office of the president, which may or may not be Obama at the time. When you realize this little fact, you realize that this probably is not some heinous democratic plot.

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    Re: B.O. wants "Control' of the Internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    I'm talking about the A.C.L.U.:lol B.O. taking control of YOUR ,(and mine) Internet Access, You're telling me this:

    while I am sure the intentions behind this bill are good Bite me.

    Have I made myself clear?

    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

    LISTEN - - - The govt already has control of the Highways, the TVs and Radios, and can even incorporate Marshall Law in case of emergency! (Bush even had control over our phones WITHOUT imminent emergency)

    The dems are simply on the ball with that whole Homeland Security hoopla thing.

    Have I made myself clear?
    and so it goes...

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    Re: B.O. wants "Control' of the Internet.

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    Declared by the president, which may or may not be Barack Obama at the time. Do you really think democrats are so dumb as to give the next republican president powers that could be used against us without safeguards?
    Is this a trick question? You're asking me, how dumb Democrats are. At the same time recognizing the "Next President' will be Republican.

    What the Hell...

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    Re: B.O. wants "Control' of the Internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    I'm talking about the A.C.L.U.:lol B.O. taking control of YOUR ,(and mine) Internet Access, You're telling me this:

    while I am sure the intentions behind this bill are good Bite me.

    Have I made myself clear?
    Being I have worked my entire adult life in IT, I happen to know what I am talking about. This bill would have nothing to do with monitoring individual internet access. Its a bill that would allow the government to shut off access to a datacenter in the event of an emergency. The reason why the government wants to do so is that the potential threat posed by a cyber attack on government infrastructure is a very significant one and could result in a huge economic cost.

    Thus, the intentions behind it are good. The IT security industry has been lobbying for this for years. However, just because the intentions behind a bill are good, does not mean the bill is a good idea. The problem with giving the government the ability to shut down access to a data center is that you would have to give the government login access to provisioning at every major provider. The costs of doing so is probably greater than the costs of a potential cyber attack.

    Moreover, I would point out that giving the government that kind of access would mean that ultimately a providers security is only as good as the governments and the government does not have that great of a record.
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    Re: B.O. wants "Control' of the Internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

    LISTEN - - - The govt already has control of the Highways, the TVs and Radios, and can even incorporate Marshall Law in case of emergency! (Bush even had control over our phones WITHOUT imminent emergency)

    The dems are simply on the ball with that whole Homeland Security hoopla thing.

    Have I made myself clear?
    Oh yeah,,,you think "you're in control". As B.O. is. "Less than 1 year", he's lost you all your advantage.

    Good Bye.

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    Re: B.O. wants "Control' of the Internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Is this a trick question? You're asking me, how dumb Democrats are. At the same time recognizing the "Next President' will be Republican.

    What the Hell...
    Apparently not as dumb as certain conservatives. By the way, I know intellectual honesty is hard, but nowhere did I say, or even suggest, that the next president will be a republican. If republicans cannot get more effective and find some better leaders and a better, positive message, it might be 16 or more years before the next republican president.

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    Re: B.O. wants "Control' of the Internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Oh yeah,,,you think "you're in control". As B.O. is. "Less than 1 year", he's lost you all your advantage.

    Good Bye.
    Excellent Argument. Because Obama is a dictator and controls every aspect of your life, the idea of protecting IT is just a conspiracy to own your internet rights.

    But previous administrations who drafted rules on emergency control over tv, radio, highways and Marshall Law - Those are for our protection.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET

    Another flaw in this bill is that even if the government had access to provisioning at every major provider so they could shut down access to a data center in the event of an emergency, its not as if the government would ever pay enough to attract the talent needed to actually be able to do it.

    Something tells me that federal government pay for the network engineers with the kind of knowledge necessary for such a responsibility is not going to be competitive with companies like Google or Akamai.
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    Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

    Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.
    They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.

    The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.
    is there a good reason why this is even being considered, much less written
    I do not get it

    cant delete OP huh?
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    Re: B.O. wants "Control' of the Internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Being I have worked my entire adult life in IT, I happen to know what I am talking about. This bill would have nothing to do with monitoring individual internet access. Its a bill that would allow the government to shut off access to a datacenter in the event of an emergency. The reason why the government wants to do so is that the potential threat posed by a cyber attack on government infrastructure is a very significant one and could result in a huge economic cost.

    Thus, the intentions behind it are good. The IT security industry has been lobbying for this for years. However, just because the intentions behind a bill are good, does not mean the bill is a good idea. The problem with giving the government the ability to shut down access to a data center is that you would have to give the government login access to provisioning at every major provider. The costs of doing so is probably greater than the costs of a potential cyber attack.

    Moreover, I would point out that giving the government that kind of access would mean that ultimately a providers security is only as good as the governments and the government does not have that great of a record.
    True,,,B.O. is in an EMERGENCY... [B]Its a bill that would allow the government to shut off access to a datacenter in the event of an emergency[/B

    Democrats are in a constant state of EMERGENCY. Therefore,,,they've the "Right" to limit whatever Website they don't like.

    According to them.

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