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    "Win One For Teddy," Say Dems

    1. A shameless politicization of the DEATH of a still quite controversial figure nationally

    2. Not many except pulsating partisans will draw much inspiration from the re-baptizing of "Obamacare" as the "Teddy Kennedy Memorial Socialized Medicine Act"

    3. The mere suggestion, POLITICALLY, is indication of last ditch desperation

    4. Very few of our SENIOR CITIZENS are going to switch sentiments about HR3200 because its name has been changed

    5. Their genuine fears and concerns will NOT be allayed by "Remembering Teddy"

    6. Instead, they're sure to see the INSULT in the effort

    7. Re-designating the deal does not decrease our DEFICIT a dollar

    8. Indeed, the White House itself declared just last Friday that national borrowing is TWO TRILLION dollars HIGHER than the administration has so far been willing to ADMIT

    9. A new APPELLATION does not alter the APPEARANCE of America, made unmistakably manifest in hundreds of townhalls across the homeland

    10. It won't change the president's plummeting polls, his wholesale lack of leadership, his rapidly increasing IRRELEVANCE

    11. Unmodified remain the dispositions of bluedogs, governors, freshmen, the CBO

    12. Health care reform, as currently contemplated, still FINES individuals caught breathing without insurance, exactly as driving is handled in California

    13. It forces folks, therefore, to finagle for themselves that which they frankly can't afford in the first place, hardly the HELP they were promised or expected

    14. Obamacare as presently composed bends the COST CURVE the wrong way---SIGNIFICANTLY, said Elmendorf of CBO

    15. It includes cruel and crippling CUTS to MEDICARE and MEDICAID, seriously scaring our seniors, without whom NO political progress can ever be possible

    16. It looks to END OF LIFE COSTS for sinister savings, again panicking our parents

    17. The townhall attendees have shown themselves to be remarkably WELL INFORMED about exactly what's going on within the legislation

    18. It taxes medical benefits, ala John McCain, which cost the slightly fossilized senator expansive support last Summer

    19. It taxes 8% small businesses who can't afford to offer coverage for their crews, bound to bankrupt many in TIMES like THESE

    20. It slaps a several thousand dollar "surcharge" on earners over 250G, couples over 350, a prodigious problem politically

    21. It effectively expands coverage to ILLEGALS since the HELLER AMENDMENT, legislation's only viable ENFORCEMENT, via E-VERIFY, was voted down in Rangel's Ways and Means, July 17

    22. It changes the public funding of ABORTION, bluedog bugaboo, a still RED HOT topic in the Senate

    23. The IRONY is this---THE LION, Senator Kennedy himself, picture of PRAGMATISM and COMPROMISE, would NEVER have adopted this universalist, one-size-fits-all approach employed by our IDIOT IN CHIEF

    24. No, the would-be Eponymous Senator would instead have tried for and GOTTEN what was within reach---pre existing conditions, portability, the option to purchase coverage across state lines

    25. The moral, however, is---why would anyone consider that this incarnation of controversy could accomplish from the crypt that which he could never carry thru when kicking?

    Dems Pushing for Health Care Reform Say 'Win One for Teddy' - ABC News

    Democrats are hoping that the memory of Sen. Ted Kennedy will revive the Democratic Party's flagging push for health care reform.

    You've heard of 'win one for the Gipper'? There is going to be an atmosphere of 'win one for Teddy,'" Ralph G. Neas, the CEO of the liberal National Coalition on Health Care, told ABC News.

    Democrats are hoping that Kennedy's influence in death may be even stronger than it was when he was alive as they push for President Obama's top domestic priority. Democratic officials hope that invoking Kennedy's passion for the issue will counter slippage in support for health care reform.

    "Ted Kennedy's dream of quality health care for all Americans will be made real this year because of his leadership and his inspiration," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in a statement.

    Pelosi's sentiment was echoed by former vice president Al Gore who served with Kennedy in the Senate.

    To infuse Kennedy into the health-care debate, Democrats are planning to affix the former senator's name to the health-care legislation that emerges from Congress.

    The idea of naming the legislation for Kennedy has been quietly circulating for months but was given a new push today by Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., the only person who served with Kennedy for all his 47 years in the Senate.

    "In his honor and as a tribute to his commitment to his ideals, let us stop the shouting and name calling and have a civilized debate on health care reform which I hope, when legislation has been signed into law, will bear his name for his commitment to insuring the health of every American," Byrd said.

    Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., a member of the Senate Health, Education and Labor Pensions Committee chaired by Kennedy, has been the panel's point person on health-care reform in Kennedy's absence. Today Dodd said that he hopes Kennedy's death will revive a spirit of bipartisanship.

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    Re: "Win One For Teddy," Say Dems

    WTF ! This post has the lenght of War and Peace butsince I will most likley never read either one in it's entirety.
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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    Re: "Win One For Teddy," Say Dems

    I know what he is talking about and I think it is crap.

    Stop trying to make that dead liberal lush some kind of hero.
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    Re: "Win One For Teddy," Say Dems

    oh, boy, are you missing out

    WAR AND PEACE is the single greatest piece of fiction ever written

    tolstoy is sheer GENIUS

    he only wrote really the two major tomes (plus ivan ilyich, which i DON'T recommend---if you read ivan, you will NEVER stop contemplating YOUR OWN death)

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    ivan DIES in 100 pages, and as he does, YOU do

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    what it FEELS LIKE to be BLOWN TO BITS

    the CONSCIOUSNESS of it all

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    SUPREMELY entertaining writer, however

    page TURNER

    such a SHAME, my friend, such an UTTER loss

    that you've never read W&P

    The profoundly prepared Prof has perused the masterpiece in its comprehensiveness triply

    that is, three times

    and each time i LOVED IT the more

    only if you're young, friend---it's a MUST read

    if you're old, it's perhaps too late, i offer most respectfully

    TOLSTOY IS THE GREATEST WRITER OF FICTION IN THE HISTORY OF LANGUAGE

    he's super super FUN

    100 times better than the BEST MOVIE you've ever seen

    thanks, cliff

    i've read it all, almost

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    dostoevsky---THE DEVILS, alternately titled, THE POSSESSED

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    Re: "Win One For Teddy," Say Dems

    First off, Prof, please stop posting like that. It freak'n hurts the eyes.

    Second, you have to be kidding me. Kennedy fought his whole life for the passage of UHC. This is the closest we have been and it would honor him to pass it with a public option.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: "Win One For Teddy," Say Dems

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    WTF ! This post has the lenght of War and Peace butsince I will most likley never read either one in it's entirety.
    The Prof marches to his own drummer, that's for sure.

    He's got this long rambling list of what I guess are his golden talking points. Some sound oddly familiar, many are retreads from his other posts. What cracks me us is how they are all over place--I mean, try to follow him from one to the next. He starts off talking about Kennedy then around #3 or 4 he jumps the shark, the rail, and who knows what else...

    Then comes the article that, I guess, inspired his grand rant list.

    Question: why post your opinion or response to an article BEFORE the actual article.

    Prof--no one knows what you're talking about or referring to when you do things back-asswards.

    Try this: Post an article, THEN give us your 'thoughts'. Keep in mind that taking a sentence from the article and rewording is not really an original though. Neither is repeating what you heard on TV or read in Politico. Make a friggin' effort why don't you, to site your sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    First off, Prof, please stop posting like that. It freak'n hurts the eyes.

    Second, you have to be kidding me. Kennedy fought his whole life for the passage of UHC. This is the closest we have been and it would honor him to pass it with a public option.
    And by "honoring him", we would be destroying the economy to a point where it stands no hope of ever recovering (as if there's a chance that we'll ever get out from under all this debt anyway).
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    And by "honoring him", we would be destroying the economy to a point where it stands no hope of ever recovering (as if there's a chance that we'll ever get out from under all this debt anyway).
    Is this a fact or your opinion of what might happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    And by "honoring him", we would be destroying the economy to a point where it stands no hope of ever recovering (as if there's a chance that we'll ever get out from under all this debt anyway).
    Destroying the economy??...Isn't that the job of the GOP? (& they were damn good at it too!!)

    Ah.....for the good old days again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Is this a fact or your opinion of what might happen?
    It's the opinion of the bipartisan Congressional Budget Office.

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