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    Re: Richardson Probe 'Was Killed in Washington'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Very good!

    I do know the difference. My hypothetical was in response to RiNYC's comment:

    Which is why I posited a hypothetical about, y'know, a criminal case where someone who was innocent was given the option to settle the case by privately admitting guilt and paying damages.
    The point that you keep glossing over is that there's a difference between settling a case with the government and settling a case with a private party.

    And his dishwater response tells me everything I need to know - he'd be willing to lie (falsely admit he raped a child) because... well, I honestly can't fathom why, just that he'd be willing to do so.
    And the fact that you wouldn't even be willing to entertain all available options and would instead volunteer for prison to defend some abstract principle tells me something as well.
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    Re: Richardson Probe 'Was Killed in Washington'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The point that you keep glossing over is that there's a difference between settling a case with the government and settling a case with a private party.
    This difference you speak of has never been a part of this discussion. The question at hand is: Would you be willing to settle a lawsuit out of court when you're not guilty of what you'd been accused?

    My answer is an unequivocal "NO!" Yours is ... "Well, maybe. What kind of deal are you offering?"

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And the fact that you wouldn't even be willing to entertain all available options and would instead volunteer for prison to defend some abstract principle tells me something as well.
    I guess you're confused. I've never said I'd "volunteer for prison." I said I'd fight tooth and nail any false accusations made against me.

    Our judicial system is based on the premise that I am innocent walking in the door. When I'm innocent and I refuse to settle or cop a plea, I am not "volunteering for prison." I'm just willing to take my chances that the judge/jury are more insightful and honest than... well, you.

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    Re: Richardson Probe 'Was Killed in Washington'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    This difference you speak of has never been a part of this discussion. The question at hand is: Would you be willing to settle a lawsuit out of court when you're not guilty of what you'd been accused?

    My answer is an unequivocal "NO!" Yours is ... "Well, maybe. What kind of deal are you offering?"
    By all means, do whatever you want. For your sake, I hope you don't ever get accused of anything.

    I guess you're confused. I've never said I'd "volunteer for prison." I said I'd fight tooth and nail any false accusations made against me.

    Our judicial system is based on the premise that I am innocent walking in the door. When I'm innocent and I refuse to settle or cop a plea, I am not "volunteering for prison."
    No, you're just taking a foolish gamble.

    I'm just willing to take my chances that the judge/jury are more insightful and honest than... well, you.
    I guess you don't value your freedom as much as I do.

    See, I have the capacity to think logically and separate my irrational desires from a rational cost-benefit analysis.

    In your admittedly ****ty hypothetical, I am choosing between two options:

    1) Refuse the plea and face prosecution for the rape of an 8 year old child in a case with "convincing" evidence, or
    2) Pay $750k and apologize.

    Since I have some familiarity with the law, I know that a "convincing" case against a male accused of raping an 8 year old child has a very high probability of resulting in a conviction. Since that's a class B violent felony in NY, I'd expect something like 15 or 20 years.

    When you calculate for lost earnings, the value I place on loss of freedom and career damage, the cost of such a penalty would be well into the millions already.

    Since I am a rational human being, I can take an objective look at my two options:

    1) Losses in the millions, prison rape, and total loss of reputation, or
    2) Losses of $750k, bruised sense of justice

    I'd probably pick choice 2. Guess I'm just not as principled as you.
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    Re: Richardson Probe 'Was Killed in Washington'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Guess I'm just not as principled as you.
    Obviously.

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    Re: Richardson Probe 'Was Killed in Washington'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Guess I'm just not as principled as you.
    Aren't you a lawyer?

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    Re: Richardson Probe 'Was Killed in Washington'

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    Aren't you a lawyer?
    BRILLIANT!

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    Re: Richardson Probe 'Was Killed in Washington'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    BRILLIANT!
    Yes, but I was just joking with him.

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    Re: Richardson Probe 'Was Killed in Washington'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Aren't you a lawyer?
    Not yet... I'm actually ignoring my professional responsibility reading in favor of going to the bar tonight.
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    Re: Richardson Probe 'Was Killed in Washington'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Very good!



    I do know the difference. My hypothetical was in response to RiNYC's comment:



    Which is why I posited a hypothetical about, y'know, a criminal case where someone who was innocent was given the option to settle the case by privately admitting guilt and paying damages.

    And his dishwater response tells me everything I need to know - he'd be willing to lie (falsely admit he raped a child) because... well, I honestly can't fathom why, just that he'd be willing to do so.
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    Attempting to equate a civil suit in a small business conflict between partners with your mythical rape of an 8 year old child really seems to blow any credability you may have had right out of the water.

    As a starting point, can we at least agree on that? eh....??



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    Re: Richardson Probe 'Was Killed in Washington'

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Attempting to equate a civil suit in a small business conflict between partners with your mythical rape of an 8 year old child really seems to blow any credability you may have had right out of the water.

    As a starting point, can we at least agree on that? eh....??
    See post 38.

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