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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    How can one possibly provide a link to a source confirming that code language is a tactic often used in political ads and political discourse?

    It is quite obvious.
    You could link to a scholarly article on racism in the U.S. You could post a survey of people's beliefs. You could even present an article from a reputable organization that makes this link. It would not be as difficult as you are implying, and if you are going to make these kinds of absurd claims, you should be prepared to back them up.

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think anyone who would oppose a man strictly on his skin color would probably have no issue stating such. That type is not really known for having credibility to lose nor sense enough to avoid making their foolishness evident.
    In many cases...true. However, there are a lot of people out there for which this is not the case. Hell...there were even people who claimed to support Obama but couldn't pull the lever in the voting booth.

    I agree on one level that shouting things like "Communist" or "Socialist" is not necessarily attributable to "racism" in every case. However, I do believe that for some, it is a way to mask the racism in a more socially acceptable way.
    Yelling something like "Go back to your country" is probably a more clear indication of racism though.
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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    but surely you can't overlook the fact that some people do disagree with him simply becasue he is black, or his middle name is hussein?

    and surely you can't believe that right wing talk radio/tv hosts don't use the word "hussein" as a code word for "arab"?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    In many cases...true. However, there are a lot of people out there for which this is not the case. Hell...there were even people who claimed to support Obama but couldn't pull the lever in the voting booth.

    I agree on one level that shouting things like "Communist" or "Socialist" is not necessarily attributable to "racism" in every case. However, I do believe that for some, it is a way to mask the racism in a more socially acceptable way.
    Yelling something like "Go back to your country" is probably a more clear indication of racism though.
    I think that arguments that include phrases like "a lot of people" or "socially acceptable racism" are just too subjective to give any credit. Look how little Limt had to backpedal out of his arguments because he couldn't substantiate them...first it was people that call him those names are definitely racists because they're crazy. Then it was only crazy people who call him those names are racist. Then it was crazy racists who call him those names are crazy racists. But never able to give a source or a number of these supposed crazy racists.

    Then it became "it's all just a judgment call, I'm not doing your homework, the dog must've eaten mine which is why I can't show the calculations for my math homework blah blah blah".

    All so much blather and so little substance. But that's what happens when you take a subjective view of a nebulous group that may or may not exist and start trying to apply undocumented concepts to prove your unsubstantiated opinion.

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Again, and I grow weary of this, it is a judgement call.

    I stubbornly believe some people are using the words, socialist, communist and fascist in the place of the N word. I said that it was in their tone and demeanor.

    Again, a judgement call.

    It is my call to make. You either like it, or do not like it.

    It seems the problem, is that I have chosen to make this decision, and others have taken a rather wacky approach by asking for "proof" of this subjective interpretation.

    That is, sorry to say, preposterous.

    Like I said earlier, this is not a debate about a factual claim. It is quite clearly, a subjective claim.

    It is akin to a person voicing their opinion of the latest 24 episode and then asking them for proof when you don't like their review.

    However, I do agree with you on some points. Namely, if one makes an objective empirical claim, that person is bound to the onus of having the responsibility to provide substantiation.

    But this is not the case with this topic.

    Code language is used in politics all the time, repeatedly, historically and presently.


    Obama used code language extensively throughout the campaign. Some obvious examples were the computer ad. Now, the Obama team did not flatly come out and say McCain is too old and feeble to be President.

    But it was clear the message the Obama camp was trying to get across was indeed that McCain is too old and feeble, and there is no way he should be President.

    On the other side, you had McCain/Palin ads and speeches that were all but saying Obama is a secret muslim terrorrist who is out to destroy America.

    Again, code language.

    Both ads, utterly ridiculous, but both were code language employed in the service of their respective campaigns.

    How can one possibly provide a link to a source confirming that code language is a tactic often used in political ads and political discourse?

    It is quite obvious.
    Mr. The -Lmt, I want to complement you on one of the best posts that I have read here lately. I particularly like and agree with your discussion about the 'code language’ that was used in the campaign. You are also extremely correct that both sides have used it.

    There are and will be people who have and will use euphemisms for the N word. Sometimes the ‘socialist’ label is a euphemism. I would not say that it is always that because there are people who call President Obama a socialist because they either do not have an understanding of what socialism is or their definition is overly broad. Some people may believe that child labor laws are ‘socialist’ because they ‘impede’ the rights of a business owner to use the cheapest form of labor that the market can provide.

    There are also others who call Mr. Obama a ‘socialist’ just because they know that ‘socialist’ is a pejorative term. The same can be said about using the label Nazi or fascist.

    The other thing is on his board the tactic is used as a troll mechanism.
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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    but surely you can't overlook the fact that some people do disagree with him simply becasue he is black, or his middle name is hussein?

    and surely you can't believe that right wing talk radio/tv hosts don't use the word "hussein" as a code word for "arab"?
    I think it's overplayed, frankly. I think that most conservatives oppose Obama purely on political issues. I think that occasionally they take an easy shot, but I don't believe that most Americans are racist--these days.

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    but surely you can't overlook the fact that some people do disagree with him simply becasue he is black, or his middle name is hussein?

    and surely you can't believe that right wing talk radio/tv hosts don't use the word "hussein" as a code word for "arab"?
    I'm sure there are people who dislike Obama because of his race, hardly worth a mention tho. I do not think they make a significant group


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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You could link to a scholarly article on racism in the U.S. You could post a survey of people's beliefs. You could even present an article from a reputable organization that makes this link. It would not be as difficult as you are implying, and if you are going to make these kinds of absurd claims, you should be prepared to back them up.
    One does not need any of the above to know code language exists in politics.

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Mr. The -Lmt, I want to complement you on one of the best posts that I have read here lately. I particularly like and agree with your discussion about the 'code language’ that was used in the campaign. You are also extremely correct that both sides have used it.
    Thank you.

    I find it absolutely hilarious the political laymen of the board are asking for "proof" that code language exists in political discourse.

    Absolutely hilarious.

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Thank you.

    I find it absolutely hilarious the political laymen of the board are asking for "proof" that code language exists in political discourse.

    Absolutely hilarious.
    Must come as quite a shock to be asked to provide evidence for your claims


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