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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    But do not expect any of us to keep quiet and not call bull**** on it.
    Again, another false attribution.

    I never once expected anyone to "keep quiet."

    Is this a tradition on this board...to repeatedly and falsely attribute words to a poster who has never actually said the things he or she is being accussed of?

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    I have relentlessly sticked to the topic at hand.
    Translation:


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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Crazy...I do not know. It depends on the person.

    However, calling Obama a communist is an uninformed opinion.

    Because he is not a "communist" no matter how hard someone wishes it to be so.
    Just like calling a group of people crazy (and racist) for calling him a communist is an uninformed opinion. Because "communist" isn't a racial slur no matter how hard you wish it to be so.

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Is this a tradition on this board...to repeatedly and falsely attribute words to a poster who has never actually said the things he or she is being accussed of?
    I think you're simply being asked to stand behind your initial claim. Are you now recanting that claim? (that would be wise)

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Crazy...I do not know. It depends on the person.

    However, calling Obama a communist is an uninformed opinion.

    Because he is not a "communist" no matter how hard someone wishes it to be so.
    So it could be anybody who calls Obama a communist regardless of whether or not they're using it to replace the word nigger?
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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    We may dance without class, but we can simultaneously maul your arguments with ease.



    Actually, you did. You generalized a large subgroup of humans. And, you can't substantiate your generalization about them. We all know it. You look silly.
    You haven't "mauled" a thing.

    But if patting yourself on the back makes you feel better, then by all means go right ahead.

    I'm not in this to "win" anything.

    That is the mentality of a child.

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    I disagree with you, but I'm not going to ask you for a link to prove your above opinion, ie your judgement call.

    I find it totally ridiculous I am being asked for "proof" for what is essentially a judgement call.
    Alright, going to talk with you very seriously here and try to remain extremely respectful. This is the same thing I had to do with Devil505 about opinions.

    Yes, anyone at all can make a statement that is a pure opinion, a judgement call, with absolutely zero evidence backing it up. Anyone can do that. I can say that people calling him a nazi are doing so because they actually think he's hitler reincarnated. People could say George Bush was actually put in power by a secret society specifically to use him to get oil from Iraq. People can say all kinds of wild out there opinion. Everyones free to do that and you're absolutely correct, opinions do not have to be backed up by fact.

    But we are on a debate forum. We are on a forum where discussion, discourse, and exchange of ideas is the goal. Part of what goes with that is the ability to make a credible argument and to back up your opinion to spur forward a debate.

    If I go "I believe they think he's hitler, reincarnated" and give absolutely zero proof to back up my claim the extent of the conversation would become:

    Someone else goes "No they don't. People also called Bush a nazi, do you think they believed he was hitler re-incarnated? They specifically bring up individual plans of his that resemble some of the philosophies of nazi germany, couldn't that be why they do it?"

    and then I'd go "Nope, I believe it, its my opinion."

    End any sort of discussion. There's no ability for discussion there because one side is trying to have one and the other is just saying "I believe this way, that's the way I believe in, because I believe in it". There's no discussion there.

    Opinions, on their own, are worthless. They're pointless. They're not worth talking about or giving credance to. For an opinion to be even worthy of DISCUSSING or accepting as potentially true it needs to have SOME KIND of credibility. This credibility can come about in two ways:

    1) Coming from someone with a reputation that is respectable enough that people give their opinions credance even without facts.
    2) Some kind of actual presented facts, even if its just anecdotal, that back it up.

    We have a poster named DonSoutherland. He's one of, if not THE, most respected poster on this board. Part of this is because he almost never speaks an opinion without backing it up with fact. BUT, at this point, because he's so respected if he simply came out and gave his opinion on something with it being completely basis he'd probably have a number of people actually give it credance because he's developed a reputation and built up the credibility for his opinion to actually matter.

    For those that haven't built that up, for your opinion, your judgement calls, to matter at all on this board, you need to do number 2.

    Does this mean you can't have an opinion? Absolutely not. You're COMPLETELY free to have whatever opinion or judgement call you want. However, people are completely free to ridicule, deride, and ignore your opinion as baseless and not credible when its...well...seems to be baseless and not credible. You're coming into the forum and talking as you are is no different than someone coming up to you off the street and telling people that lizardfolk are controlling our government. You've not been here to build up credibility or respect in regards to your opinion so there's zero reason why any poster should take your opinion, when tis not backed up by anything, as something seriously worth considering.

    To many people seem to have this mixed up notion that because an opinion does not NEED to be proven, means that there's no such thing as a POOR opinion. There is. And on a forum dedicated to political discussion you can't be surprised, offended, or upset when people call you to task for baseless opinions because frankly there'd be no use debating something where one person goes "This is my opinion because its my opinion" and the other side says "no, you're wrong, because of this this this" and the person responds "nope, its my opinion".

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So it could be anybody who calls Obama a communist regardless of whether or not they're using it to replace the word nigger?
    Did not say that either.

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    I'm not in this to "win" anything.
    That's good, because it isn't looking good for your argument at this point.

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    Re: Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Did not say that either.
    I didn't say you did. I'm asking you a question.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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