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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If they're not caregivers, they are bureaucrats.
    No, they're not. They're porters and cooks and cleaners and lab techs, and they play a role in patient care, be it by providing meals or transporting people from ward to ward. Every health care system in the world has them, be it private or government run. The word "beauracrat" actualy means something. It's not a term to fling around to make it appear that a system you personally are wary of is bloated with unnecessary staff.



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    Once again, that is EXACTLY what I said.
    No, you said "doctor visits". Filling a prescription does not involve a doctor. Receiving a visit from a health-visitor (a nurse with additional training in community wellbeing) does not involve a doctor. Phoning a helpline does not involve a doctor. Attending an NHS-run exercise rehabilitation program does not involve a doctor. It's a gross mischaracterisation to say that each instance of NHS treatment is a "doctor's visit" and to use this assertion to claim that national healthcare breeds hypochondriacs.
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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    No, you said "doctor visits". Filling a prescription does not involve a doctor. Receiving a visit from a health-visitor (a nurse with additional training in community wellbeing) does not involve a doctor. Phoning a helpline does not involve a doctor. Attending an NHS-run exercise rehabilitation program does not involve a doctor. It's a gross mischaracterisation to say that each instance of NHS treatment is a "doctor's visit" and to use this assertion to claim that national healthcare breeds hypochondriacs.
    1 million every 36 hours = 1 visit, or contact if you prefer, every 34 days. It's very simple math.
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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

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    Careful reading will result in fewer embarrassing moments.
    I'm not embarrassed, dear. It's not me claiming that cooking food or changing bed linen makes one a beauracrat.
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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

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    Yes, the Dems are in power, except you can't convince enough of the members in your own party to vote for this boondoggle.

    Can you?
    If you think this is an easy decision for anyone then you are an idiot. I'm a registered Republican btw, so my own party are the Republicans. I believe that everyone should work for a living and support themselves as best they can, but there are some issues bigger than individuals. The Republicans should have fixed this while they were in power. They would have done a better job of it than the Dems, but they chose not to. More fool us as Republicans.

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