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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    And those 1 million should be taken care with struck off nurses.
    That is all.

    I do find this all very amusing.
    Americans having to attack NHS to get at Obama's plan.
    Newsflash people: The system we have in UK will not be in use in US.
    I don't think that's entirely fair. A lot of issues with nursing come about because of the nursing shortage. Wards are quite often under-staffed, and in wards without enough support staff, nurses are often required to perform the work auxillaries would usually do, forcing them to take time awy from caring for patients. Everyone should receive good treatment from the NHS, but one complaint, one mistake, should not be enough to destroy someone's career, without knowing the context in which the incident occurred.
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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    There is another thread about the abysmal care of expectant mothers under the English NHS system. In that thread, many lefties and a few Brits did everything possible to kill the messenger rather than dispute the message.
    No, people disputed a misleading post. It claimed that 400 women were forced by the NHS in corridors, when in fact this number counted all women who had not given birth in beds in a maternity ward. Women who had given birth on-route to the hospital, in the Accident and Emergency Department, in wards which were not maternity wards, in birthing pools and birthing rooms were lumped into this number. It was a false claim, and it was dealth with previously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill
    Here is another story on the caregivers at NHS. I realize that the vast majority of doctors and nurses in the British system do everything possible to provide proper care to their patients, but obviously there is a large number that need to find another line of work.
    There are incompetent workers in every industry, be it healthcare or otherwise, government run or part of the private service.

    [quote=GillI read that the NHS has a staff of 1.4 million, most of whom are bureaucrats.[/quote]

    Utterly, utterly FALSE.

    Nationwide, the NHS employs more than 1.5m people. Of those, just short of half are clinically qualified, including some 90,000 hospital doctors, 35,000 general practitioners (GPs), 400,000 nurses and 16,000 ambulance staff.
    About the NHS

    The remaining NHS posts are filled by everyone from lab technicians, to those who provide catering to patients, to health-care assistants, to house-keeping staff, to porters who transport patients around the hospital, to those who deal with the hospitals finances, to receptionists. I'd hardy class the majority of those people as "bureaucrats"?



    Quote Originally Posted by Gill
    In my opinion, that is the fear of many here in the U.S. We all see how bloated government entities become. Just look at our school systems. National health care is NOT the answer.
    Well, it's not a realistic fear, at least not on this issue. The majority of NHS staff are not beauracrats, they're medical professionals and support staff. You also appear not to have read the end of the article you posted, which states that, according to the UK's Quality Care Commision, in a recent survey, 93% of NHS patients rated the care they receive as good or excellent. These complaints are unfortunate, and should be dealth with, but considering that the NHS deals with a million patients per 36 hours, a million complaints isn't even that high a number.
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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill
    I read that the NHS has a staff of 1.4 million, most of whom are bureaucrats.
    Nationwide, the NHS employs more than 1.5m people. Of those, just short of half are clinically qualified, including some 90,000 hospital doctors, 35,000 general practitioners (GPs), 400,000 nurses and 16,000 ambulance staff.
    About the NHS
    Quote Originally Posted by Anima
    The remaining NHS posts are filled by everyone from lab technicians, to those who provide catering to patients, to health-care assistants, to house-keeping staff, to porters who transport patients around the hospital, to those who deal with the hospitals finances, to receptionists. I'd hardy class the majority of those people as "bureaucrats"?
    Thanks for repeating exactly what I said previously and proving my point.


    These complaints are unfortunate, and should be dealth with, but considering that the NHS deals with a million patients per 36 hours, a million complaints isn't even that high a number.
    So you are claiming that each Brit goes to the doctor every 34 days??

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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    The Republican Party had 8 years to fix a very broken US healthcare system and they chose to fight the Iraq war instead. Now the Democrats are in power and they get to choose how the fix happens. Choices.
    Yes, the Dems are in power, except you can't convince enough of the members in your own party to vote for this boondoggle.

    Can you?

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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Is it now ...
    Source?

    BBC is hardly 'far left'
    Really, that doesn't seem to be the general perception.
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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

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    Really, that doesn't seem to be the general perception.
    General perception where? Right wing loony land?
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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    General perception where? Right wing loony land?
    Its own reporters for instance. It has a perception of left-liberal and europhile subtle bias. Obviously the far-left stuff is nonsense.
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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    General perception where? Right wing loony land?
    Besides taking my thread off topic, do you really believe that every single person that disagrees with you is a right wing loony??

    I find it sad that someone could actually believe that they are right 100% of the time.

    I'm sure you won't mind being referred to as a left wing loony then, will you?

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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Thanks for repeating exactly what I said previously and proving my point.
    I did not so thing. You claied most of those employed by the NHS were beauracrats. I showed that half are medical professionals, and the other half includes medical support staff as well as administrative staff. How exactly can you class nurse's assisstants, porters, laboratory technicians, housekeeping staff and catering staff as being "beauracrats"?




    Quote Originally Posted by Gill
    So you are claiming that each Brit goes to the doctor every 34 days??
    Nope, never said that anywhere. At all.

    The one million patients dealt with per 36 statistic comes from the NHS report which I linked on my previous post. That figure includes visits to NHS dentists, GP's surgeries, accident and emergency departments, hospitals and clinics, home visits by health visitors, and calls to the NHS's telephone helpline, which advises people on how to treat minor ailments and home and when to seek assesment.
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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    I did not so thing. You claied most of those employed by the NHS were beauracrats. I showed that half are medical professionals, and the other half includes medical support staff as well as administrative staff. How exactly can you class nurse's assisstants, porters, laboratory technicians, housekeeping staff and catering staff as being "beauracrats"?
    Less than half are "clinically qualified". Exactly what I said. Thanks again.




    Nope, never said that anywhere. At all.

    The one million patients dealt with per 36 statistic comes from the NHS report which I linked on my previous post. That figure includes visits to NHS dentists, GP's surgeries, accident and emergency departments, hospitals and clinics, home visits by health visitors, and calls to the NHS's telephone helpline, which advises people on how to treat minor ailments and home and when to seek assesment.
    51 million people in England

    1 million every 36 hours = 1 visit, or contact if you prefer, every 34 days. It's very simple math.

    Sounds to me like free health care has created a nation of hypochondriacs. That's one of the fears of free health care in this country.

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