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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post

    Let me guess, these are all rags that are out to overthrow the Queen........
    What does the Queen have to do with anything?


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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What does the Queen have to do with anything?
    ummm, it was a figure of speech.

    lighten up. Are all Brits so gloomy?

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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    ummm, it was a figure of speech.

    lighten up. Are all Brits so gloomy?
    ....Yes.

    Are all Americans so fat?
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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    is it dead? i guess we'll see.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    ....Yes.

    Are all Americans so fat?
    Well, I'm not but way to many are, especially here in the south.

    We southerners love our pig fat.

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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by mixedmedia View Post
    This happens now in our current healthcare system.
    Got facts, links or proof? And please, use only cases that are of the same scope and scale as the thread article.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mixedmedia View Post
    There is also the risk of being uninsured and sitting under $25,000+ debt essentially for the benefit of a simple scan that I would have been happy to wait for. This is my situation.
    The notion that forcing others to pay for our healthcare problems as being a solution to better healthcare is farcical at best.

    This has always been my problem with "Liberal" thinking and problem solving; it is always that Government can create a better solution and with that, if only we confiscate enough wealth can we solve all of society’s trials and tribulations. But what ends up happening is that the REALITY is that Government makes it worse and they will NEVER, EVER have enough of our confiscated wealth.

    I would think that after six decades of these nonsensical notions and false solutions, people would be smarter than that to fall for it all over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i'm always amazed that we seem to think we can't do it better. what happened to the attitude that americans CAN do better?

    and i believe that for every horror story out of britian, i can find one to match in america.
    Go for it; provide us with some proof that your system is working so much better than our own!

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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    The foreign systems they promote cost much less, provide health care for all, and are higher rated by the World Health Organization.

    It's the proudly ignorant right wing that doesn't get it.
    I always have to laugh at the false claims that they cost less; they pay significantly higher personal taxes, gasoline taxes, hell, they pay much higher taxes on everything compared to us.

    In addition to this, what is the cost of huge shortages of specialists and services to the tune that one has to wait, or perhaps even die if they cannot BUY their way around the system, for a critical operation which is always in short supply in Government systems?

    It's amusing that instead of leading the rest of the modern world in technology and services and actually solving the cost issue and basically saying follow our lead, we want to be more like them; high costs, high taxes, shortages of specialists and little in the way of creative ingenuity and long waiting lines/lists.

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    Re: 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The notion that forcing others to pay for our healthcare problems as being a solution to better healthcare is farcical at best.

    This has always been my problem with "Liberal" thinking and problem solving; it is always that Government can create a better solution and with that, if only we confiscate enough wealth can we solve all of society’s trials and tribulations. But what ends up happening is that the REALITY is that Government makes it worse and they will NEVER, EVER have enough of our confiscated wealth.

    I would think that after six decades of these nonsensical notions and false solutions, people would be smarter than that to fall for it all over again.
    I went on to point out that you are already paying for other people's healthcare.

    And I am far less than interested in your 'problems,' thanks very much.

    Your baiting is insipid, in fact, from here on out I refuse to respond in a serious fashion to any responses that begin with any variant of the phrase 'you liberals.'

    and here are your facts:
    What Do the Studies Say?
    Prevalence
    According to the best available estimates,
    between 1 and 2 million Americans age 65
    or older have been injured, exploited, or
    otherwise mistreated by someone on
    whom they depended for care or
    protection.
    (Elder Mistreatment: Abuse, Neglect and
    Exploitation in an Aging America. 2003.
    Washington, DC: National Research Council Panel
    to Review Risk and Prevalence of Elder Abuse and
    Neglect.)

    Estimates of the frequency of elder abuse
    range from 2% to 10% based on various
    sampling, survey methods, and case
    definitions.
    (Lachs, Mark S., and Karl Pillemer. October 2004.
    “Elder Abuse, ”The Lancet, Vol. 364: 1192-1263.)

    Data on elder abuse in domestic settings
    suggest that 1 in 14 incidents, excluding
    incidents of self-neglect, come to the
    attention of authorities.
    (Pillemer, Karl, and David Finkelhor. 1988. "The
    Prevalence of Elder Abuse: A Random Sample
    Survey," The Gerontologist, 28: 51-57.)

    Current estimates put the overall reporting
    of financial exploitation at only 1 in 25
    cases, suggesting that there may be at least
    5 million financial abuse victims each year.
    (Wasik, John F. 2000. “The Fleecing of America’s
    Elderly,” Consumers Digest, March/April.)

    It is estimated that for every one case of
    elder abuse, neglect, exploitation, or selfneglect
    reported to authorities, about five
    more go unreported.
    (National Elder Abuse Incidence Study. 1998.
    Washington, DC: National Center on Elder Abuse at
    American Public Human Services Association.)
    NCEA: Statistics at a Glance
    Underneath the concrete, The dream is still alive
    A hundred million lifetimes, A world that never dies - Talking Heads, City of Dreams

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