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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    1. They have a higher life expectancy BECAUSE of our higher infant mortality rates. When someone dies at that young an age, it has a profound effect on the average.

    2. The Truth About Health Care and Infant Mortality: Lack of access to health care does not explain America's infant mortality rate - Reason Magazine
    Another pertinent part of the picture would be the cause of these births and lifestyles of the mothers.
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Another pertinent part of the picture would be the cause of these births and lifestyles of the mothers.
    Yea, somehow I have the feeling those mothers have been sexually active

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    Yea, somehow I have the feeling those mothers have been sexually active
    I think there is much more to it than just being sexually active; things like drug use, social mores, peer acceptance and community.

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No I am not saying that. I am saying that regardless of lifestyle choice, it is the job of the healthcare system to keep these people alive but more importantly to prevent the issues with whatever lifestyle choice people make.
    Oh come on it is not the gov'ts job to make you thin.
    On top of that lifestyle choices between countries in the industrialized western world is not that different. They all have "Americanised food" choices that are very popular and obesity rates are rising in all. But lets test your theory. Germany, is by far the fattest country in Europe. Its obesity rates are the closest to the US possible and I have even heard right wingers claim it was worse.. and yet German's live on average a year longer than Americans...why is that? Have you ever seen a traditional German diet? So what will your excuse be now? That American's have more accidental deaths?
    You are grading their healthcare system by a year's difference. This is meaningless. Statistically it is meaningless. Anyway not all nations are the same in the West. America does have a higher murder rate, as lefties often bring up, it also has worse health stats. These things make a difference.

    I have never claimed that life expectancy numbers are some sort of grading card on the quality of a countries healthcare system, but what it is, is part of the overall picture. What I, and others, have noted that despite spending almost double as much on healthcare, the US system has not give a life expectancy to match. Now you can come with claims of bias in the numbers or what not, blame the blacks or other minorities like some right wingers, or just ignore the numbers, but you have to question why a country spending so much on healthcare does give better results on so so so many statistics.. and no it is not solely because of life style choices.
    You seemed to say exactly that.

    And yet when UNICEF uses statistical analysis to make up for the supposed differences, the results are similar..
    Proof?


    I am not willing to use anything. All I am stating is that it is the best number we have and that we have to use said number as part of the over all picture. I somehow doubt that the huge difference between say Norway or Spain vs the US is all down to "how the definition of a live birth" is.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Well I saw this run through of that article elsewhere and it sums up about what I think, so I'll share it here.

    On a different note though, I'm not that aware of how exactly the NHS works in the UK. I found this fairly good pdf which describes the system here. The system here has it that local authorities are always primary responsible for healthcare in their area (the municipalities... I think there are about 450 of them). I think that's the main difference. NHS is more government organized, isn't it?


    The article raises valid points, but unfortunately serves more to highlight media strain theory than anything objective regarding the NHS. Just look at the ambiguous language.

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    63 births in ambulances and 608 in transit to hospitals;
    Naughty Mum, couldn't she just hold it? Women

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    117 births in A&E departments
    What proportion of these were direct admittances to A&E? How many of these mothers were hurt in an accident? Did this induce on Labour? How many of these were emergency c-sections?

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    399 in parts of maternity units other than labour beds
    How many of these were birthing pool deliveries, etc.? Where where they delivered then? I'm going to assume it was the floor (which is what they want you to think), as if that was the case the Mary Whitehouse brigade at the Mail would have postered it all over the story.

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    115 births on other hospital wards and 36 in other unspecified areas including corridors;
    What other wards? Was mother in intensive care when the infant was delivered?

    Total, unspecific drivel aimed at the type of idiot who buys newpapers (particularly but not limited to tabloids) and who has no analytical skills what so ever.

    There are in excess of 700,000 births per annum in the UK. It stands to good reason, that as all of these involve humans, there will be errors. 4000 already sounds fairly low; as I have demonstrated, the real figure will be a good way below 4000. But then the Mail know this, which is why they are so non-committal with their figures. Insinuation and inference are far effective at shifting **** to the chattering classes than actual, credible intelligence.

    There is only one important part of the entire article:

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    The rise in the number of births in other than a designated labour bed is a concern. We would want to see the detail behind these figures to look at why this is happening.

    'There is no doubt that maternity services are stretched, and that midwives are working harder and harder to provide good quality care. However, we know the Government is putting more money into the service.

    'The key now is to make sure this money is spent by the people controlling the purse strings at a local level.'
    That's it. That's the relevant public service information. But hell, that ain't going to sell newspapers.
    ...we honor leaders for what they achieve, but we often prefer to close our eyes to the way they achieve it...

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    Yea, somehow I have the feeling those mothers have been sexually active
    I hope so plasters, a multiple second coming would kill me

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    1. Bed shortages in Britain force 4000 moms to give birth in elevators, offices, hallways and hospital toilets



    5. That the Brits can't bring about such bare-boned basics as birthing beds for those big with babies...
    Does sound like a Daily Mail story...but you forgot the births in the taxi's to Hospital.

    My daughter recently had a baby and the only problem she experienced was that they wouldn't let her in to the hospital because she was not sufficiently dilated.

    Eventually she would not leave. She was given her own room and told they would not look at her for four hours and it was too early for her to have pain relief, though she had been in labour for over 16 hours.

    When they looked back on her insistence a couple of hours later she was ten centermeters dilated and it was now too late for pain relief.

    Apart from that she found the anti natal care and everything else excellent. She is extremely proud of herself managing without any pain relief, though she wouldn't have chosen it!

    She left hospital 12 hours after giving birth.

    Now in the days when I gave birth, they made you stay in hospital for 6 or 7 days.

    Where we direct our money has changed.

    I imagine you are right that there is a shortage of beds but with something as important as this, this will be something which is corrected.

    We have had a 'baby boom' in the last year. This will not have been anticipated.

    And no, our health service is not perfect, but it is free help delivered on need.

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    nothing is free

    canada's system is heading towards bankruptcy

    your daughter is heroic

    congrats! to you and her

    and your grandchild, too!

    cliff

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    nothing is free

    canada's system is heading towards bankruptcy

    your daughter is heroic

    congrats! to you and her

    and your grandchild, too!

    cliff
    No it is not.

    That is categorically false.

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    tell it to the president of the canadian medical assn

    "(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," said Doig

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