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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Did you even read the Chapman article?

    My guess is that you did not, otherwise you would not be asking "So are you denying that..."
    Did I read the article that I myself posted?

    Believe it or not I did!

    What's your point?

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    some more stats

    Healthcare spending in 2004 as a % of GDP per capita US 16% UK 8.3%



    Life expectancy in 2000 US 77 UK 78


    Average annual rate ofgrowth in real healthcare
    spending per capita 1994-2004 US 3.7% UK 4.2%


    Number of acute hospital beds per 1000
    people in 2004 US 2.8 UK 3.6


    Average length of stay for acute care in 2004 US 5.6 UK 3.6


    Under 5 mortality rate (probability of dying
    by age 5 per 1000 live births) US 9 UK 6

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    The World Health Organization ranks Cuba's Health Care system right up with the USA's despite it spending a small fraction of what the US spends. You have no idea why their infant mortality rates are so low. Other than your ideology which guides you to believe brown people can't have good healthcare.

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    I think you have just lost all credibility. If you feel you have to make random allegations of racism so quickly I pity you. I see you are a new poster and very much hope you change your behaviour so you actually contribute positively to the forum.

    I believe I also stated I support the NHS in this very thread.

    We have been through those dodgy WHO stats here before. The WHO itself does not even stand by them today.
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post




    Life expectancy in 2000 US 77 UK 78
    Life expectancy is a very hard one to pin the quality of health services on. It includes so many factors.

    Under 5 mortality rate (probability of dying
    by age 5 per 1000 live births) US 9 UK 6
    This obviously suffers from the comparison problems already shown.
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Life expectancy is a very hard one to pin the quality of health services on. It includes so many factors.
    The quality of the health services is a key factor in life expectancy numbers. It aint perfect, but it is one of the better ways of measurement out there.

    This obviously suffers from the comparison problems already shown.
    Sure..a dead child is a dead child is it not?
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    1. Bed shortages in Britain force 4000 moms to give birth in elevators, offices, hallways and hospital toilets

    2. Another body blow to Obamacare --
    Strange, as Laila pointed out early on in the thread: the only source of this story is the Daily Mail. None of the other news outlets cover it and more interestingly Andrew Langley - supposed instigator of this story itself is on record in a BBC radio interview here defending the NHS from the "negative and distorted" views which usually seem to emanate from the US and actually have US political maneuvering behind them..

    Anyway - in an organisation as large as the NHS you will have horror stories and you will also have good news stories. I'm not surprised that mothers give birth in ambulances / fields / tents or lifts - babies don't come when they're supposed to.

    That's basic nature - however it's twisted to suit US politics.

    Now, when patient support groups which include ordinary members of the public and NHS staff say "there are fundamental problems with provision of basic care in the NHS" that's the thing to worry about.

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The quality of the health services is a key factor in life expectancy numbers. It aint perfect, but it is one of the better ways of measurement out there.
    Rubbish. When you are talking about the modern western world with a few years difference between nations life expectancy shows little. Bolshie Zeebub's stats showed a years difference, you can tell next to nothing about healthcare quality from this.

    Sure..a dead child is a dead child is it not?
    Nope, we have already been through this. Go back in the thread a few pages.
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Bolshie Zeebub, that was a low blow Anal Wessex

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    Bolshie Zeebub, that was a low blow Anal Wessex
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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