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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Wessex, if you want decentralized healthcare, Sweden has the best in the world. They actually have healthcare at a county level. Funding comes from taxes administered locally.

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    The Canadian health system is not "imploding" nor does it have the severe problems of the American system.

    It is simply not true.

    I find it highly ironic that Dr.Doig would never advocate anything close to a fundamental move away from Canada's curent system.

    Yet here you are, using her criticisms to pimp your warped agenda to block a public option.
    he finds it ironic

    LOLOL!

    as if anyone could conceivably care

    Dr Doig: "We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize."

    Dr Doig, continued: "(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable."

    NO ONE cares what the limit thinks (except his mom, maybe)

    the limit meanwhile preoccupies himself with the personal opinions of The powerful and prescient Prof

    EVERYONE, on the other hand, dignifies the ideas of DEAR dr doig

    why, SHE's the DIVINER!

    LOLOLOL!

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Wessex, if you want decentralized healthcare, Sweden has the best in the world. They actually have healthcare at a county level. Funding comes from taxes administered locally.
    Interesting. I'm not an expert on Sweden, I'll have to look into it.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Infant mortality rates by Country.

    Look at all the Countries outranking the USA!

    They all have Universal Health care including the UK. Cuba even does better than we do.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate]List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]



    That's where the rubber hits the road....That's where right wing bullsht ends.


    You can believe the OP's scary story hoping to convince you that UHC sucks or you can think for yourself and look at the data that puts our health system to shame.
    Last edited by dragondad; 08-27-09 at 01:41 AM.

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    i didn't write any stephen king novel

    dr doig did

    LOL!

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    As I said the US is famous for using a method that overrates its infant morality relative to other nations.

    Bernadine Healy, M.D.: Behind the baby count - US News and World Report

    it's shaky ground to compare U.S. infant mortality with reports from other countries. The United States counts all births as live if they show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity or size. This includes what many other countries report as stillbirths. In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) to count as a live birth; in other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless. And some countries don't reliably register babies who die within the first 24 hours of birth. Thus, the United States is sure to report higher infant mortality rates. For this very reason, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which collects the European numbers, warns of head-to-head comparisons by country.
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    As I said the US is famous for using a method that overrates its infant morality relative to other nations.

    Bernadine Healy, M.D.: Behind the baby count - US News and World Report

    it's shaky ground to compare U.S. infant mortality with reports from other countries. The United States counts all births as live if they show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity or size. This includes what many other countries report as stillbirths. In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) to count as a live birth; in other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless. And some countries don't reliably register babies who die within the first 24 hours of birth. Thus, the United States is sure to report higher infant mortality rates. For this very reason, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which collects the European numbers, warns of head-to-head comparisons by country.
    Your own source says Iceland has the same standards as the US does and has the best infant mortality rates in the World. Thanks for making my case.
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Iceland!

    LOLOLOL!

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Your own source says Iceland has the same standards as the US does and has the best infant mortality rates in the World. Thanks for making my case.
    My source says this actually:

    Mystery. Look at Iceland. It uses the same standards as we do. But it also has a population under 300,000 that is 94 percent homogenous, a mixture of Norse and Celts. Similarly, Finland and Japan do not have the ethnic and cultural diversity of our 300 million citizens. Even factoring in education and income, Chinese-American mothers have lower rates, and African-Americans higher, than the U.S. average. Environment matters as well. Lower infant mortality tracks with fewer teen pregnancies, married as opposed to single mothers, less obesity and smoking, more education, and moms pregnant with babies that they are utterly intent on having. Yet, there are still biological factors that we don't understand that lead to spontaneous premature delivery. It's a mysterious happening when a seemingly healthy pregnant woman suddenly goes into labor and delivers at six or seven months or has to face the shock and sadness of being confined to bed, hoping to hold on for another week, another month.

    It hardly seems to support your point.

    Also you missed this:

    the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which collects the European numbers, warns of head-to-head comparisons by country.


    Such a contentious area is hardly one to make statements like this about;

    That's where the rubber hits the road....That's where right wing bullsht ends
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Says an editorial columnist for the Chicago Tribune.

    Mr. Chapman is not a serious voice, that much is clear.

    He is, what he is.

    A hyper partisan hack pretending to be a health policy expert.
    So you're willing to overlook the actual facts presented in the article because the author disagrees with you?

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