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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Don't we here in the USA have a law that states a person can drop off a baby at fire stations or police stations no questions asked.....I wonder how many can get dropped off per year?
    I don't think that is what he is talking about. He is talking about a shortage of beds.
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    National gov'ts. It is in their nature to centralise. Centralising is easy, it is means uniformity instead of having to deal with diversity, it means top-down commands instead of having to accept the competencies and autonomies of some areas below you. Gov'ts, particularly modern gov'ts inevitably move to centralisation if not restrained.
    Shocking.
    Breaking news: National Government wishes to horde power and centralise it ...

    Face it Wessex ... Conservatives or Liberals in Government. They will still centralise and horde power.
    You will never get a actual true conservative in power nor will I get someone who is not a champagne socialist

    We are doomed with the rejects.


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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    hey, and how 'bout them canucks?

    IMPLODING?

    NOT SUSTAINABLE?

    CUTTING six thousand surgeries?

    CLOSING a quarter of their facilities?

    ELIMINATING 24% of their services?

    those are some rather UGLY incomplete sentences, don't y'all think?

    and just check out those SOURCES!

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Shocking.
    Breaking news: National Government wishes to horde power and centralise it ...

    Face it Wessex ... Conservatives or Liberals in Government. They will still centralise and horde power.
    You will never get a actual true conservative in power nor will I get someone who is not a champagne socialist

    We are doomed with the rejects.
    That is why I vote Wessex regionalists... the natural party of gov't.
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That is why I vote Wessex regionalists... the natural party of gov't.
    I vote lib dems
    Its my way of sticking my finger up to the two parties whilst reasurring myself that they won't actually have enough power to implement their EU policy

    You see ... clever


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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    hey, and how 'bout them canucks?

    IMPLODING?

    NOT SUSTAINABLE?

    CUTTING six thousand surgeries?

    CLOSING a quarter of their facilities?

    ELIMINATING 24% of their services?

    those are some rather UGLY incomplete sentences, don't y'all think?

    and just check out those SOURCES!
    Yet the still manage to have higher life expectancies and lower infant morality rates than we do.

    By the way, are you capable of writing an actual paragraph?
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yet the still manage to have higher life expectancies and lower infant morality rates than we do.
    1. They have a higher life expectancy BECAUSE of our higher infant mortality rates. When someone dies at that young an age, it has a profound effect on the average.

    2. The Truth About Health Care and Infant Mortality: Lack of access to health care does not explain America's infant mortality rate - Reason Magazine
    No one denies the problem. Our infant mortality rate is double that of Japan or Sweden. But we live different lives, on average, than people in those places. We suffer more obesity (about 10 times as much as the Japanese), and we have more births to teenagers (seven times more than the Swedes). Nearly 40 percent of American babies are born to unwed mothers.

    Factors like these are linked to low birth weight in babies, which is a dangerous thing. In a 2007 study for the National Bureau of Economic Research, economists June O'Neill and Dave O'Neill noted that "a multitude of behaviors unrelated to the health care system such as substance abuse, smoking and obesity" are connected "to the low birth weight and preterm births that underlie the infant death syndrome."
    So why does our infant mortality rate exceed that of, say, Canada, where health care is free at the point of service? One reason is that we have a lot more tiny newborns. But underweight babies don't fare worse here than in Canada—quite the contrary.

    The NBER paper points out that among the smallest infants, survival rates are better on this side of the border. What that suggests is that if we lived under the Canadian health care system, we would not have a lower rate of infant mortality. We would have a higher one.

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yet the still manage to have higher life expectancies and lower infant morality rates than we do.

    By the way, are you capable of writing an actual paragraph?
    As I have often been told you Americans record your infant morality different and that disadvantages you somewhat. And well let's not forget the lifestyle effects on life expectancies, America is not known for its slim waistlines so to speak.
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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    hey, and how 'bout them canucks?

    IMPLODING?

    NOT SUSTAINABLE?

    CUTTING six thousand surgeries?

    CLOSING a quarter of their facilities?

    ELIMINATING 24% of their services?

    those are some rather UGLY incomplete sentences, don't y'all think?

    and just check out those SOURCES!
    The Canadian health system is not "imploding" nor does it have the severe problems of the American system.

    It is simply not true.

    I find it highly ironic that Dr.Doig would never advocate anything close to a fundamental move away from Canada's curent system.

    Yet here you are, using her criticisms to pimp your warped agenda to block a public option.
    Last edited by The_Limt; 08-27-09 at 12:29 AM.

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    Re: UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    1. They have a higher life expectancy BECAUSE of our higher infant mortality rates. When someone dies at that young an age, it has a profound effect on the average.

    2. The Truth About Health Care and Infant Mortality: Lack of access to health care does not explain America's infant mortality rate - Reason Magazine
    Says an editorial columnist for the Chicago Tribune.

    Mr. Chapman is not a serious voice, that much is clear.

    He is, what he is.

    A hyper partisan hack pretending to be a health policy expert.
    Last edited by The_Limt; 08-27-09 at 12:23 AM.

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