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    Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Cameron Todd Willingham case: Expert says fire for which father was executed was not arson -- chicagotribune.com

    Indeed, the report concludes there was no evidence to determine that the December 1991 fire was even set, and it leaves open the possibility the blaze that killed three children was an accident and there was no crime at all -- the same findings found in a Chicago Tribune investigation of the case published in December 2004.

    Willingham, the father of those children, was executed in February 2004. He protested his innocence to the end.
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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is why the death sentence should be abolished. Period.

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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Yeah, and I'm sure there's plenty of physical evidence left from a 20 year old fire scene.
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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Is 13 years not a long enough period of time for questions to be asked to you?

    I myself disagree with the death penalty, not because it is inhumane, it's far more humane than what the scumbags who commit capital murder deserve, but simply because it is impossible to create a fair system when there is as much variation as there is currently.

    But as far as what you said there, as if they were somehow trigger happy with the potassium chloride, i would disagree. whether or not he was fairly executed is up for plenty of debate, but there was plenty of time given to find possible evidence proving his innocence.
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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, and I'm sure there's plenty of physical evidence left from a 20 year old fire scene.
    Uhh read the article:

    Among Beyler's key findings: that investigators failed to examine all of the electrical outlets and appliances in the Willinghams' house in the small Texas town of Corsicana, did not consider other potential causes for the fire, came to conclusions that contradicted witnesses at the scene, and wrongly concluded Willingham's injuries could not have been caused as he said they were.

    The state fire marshal on the case, Beyler concluded in his report, had "limited understanding" of fire science. The fire marshal "seems to be wholly without any realistic understanding of fires and how fire injuries are created," he wrote.
    None of those claims require evidence from the 20 year old fire scene; all of those conclusions can be drawn from the court records and police reports. These claims do, however, provide reasonable doubt as to his guilt.
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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What no way...DNA evidence, that guy was guilty of something, um...errr.....he still posed a threat to someone...somewhere....somehow......


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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by cmckinney View Post
    Is 13 years not a long enough period of time for questions to be asked to you?

    I myself disagree with the death penalty, not because it is inhumane, it's far more humane than what the scumbags who commit capital murder deserve, but simply because it is impossible to create a fair system when there is as much variation as there is currently.

    But as far as what you said there, as if they were somehow trigger happy with the potassium chloride, i would disagree. whether or not he was fairly executed is up for plenty of debate, but there was plenty of time given to find possible evidence proving his innocence.
    He shouldn't have to find evidence proving his innocence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution, and these claims cast reasonable doubt on the veracity of the prosecution's claims.
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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Uhh read the article:



    None of those claims require evidence from the 20 year old fire scene; all of those conclusions can be drawn from the court records and police reports. These claims do, however, provide reasonable doubt as to his guilt.
    But, at the same time, there's a big difference between reading a report and looking at the actual fire scene.
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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I don't care if they're wrong only once in a million. To me, that is one too many.
    While there are compelling reasons for at least minimizing application of the death penalty, this simply doesn't incorporate any facet of cost/benefit analysis, and doesn't appreciate the fact that anecdotal incidents cannot invalidate a general policy.

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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    He shouldn't have to find evidence proving his innocence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution, and these claims cast reasonable doubt on the veracity of the prosecution's claims.
    It doesn't work that way with appeals, does it? Isn't the burden of proof, at that point, actually on the defendent, even if it's technically not supposed to be?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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