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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By that logic, let's just stop putting people in prison, because a few of them might be innocent.
    People who are unjustly put in prison can be released and compensated. How do you propose to compensate an innocent victim of the death penalty?
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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    FACT: it cost taxpayers more to kill than to keep in jail for life. Look it up.
    Actually, utilization of life imprisonment as a murder punishment is ineffective for the same reason that the death penalty is; both provide a perverse incentive to commit additional murders since no greater penalty can be imposed after the first murder is committed.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    How many innocent people do you believe have to be executed before the general policy should be called into question?
    Enough so that the costs incurred by their wrongful execution outweigh the benefits provided by the execution of guilty people, but there are far sounder reasons for opposing the death penalty.

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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    The appeals process is when the defendant gets a chance to argue that the law was misapplied at trial. There's no argument of facts unless a new trial is ordered at the appellate level. I guess in a sense you are correct insofar as the burden being shifted, but the defendant can't argue about the evidence unless they are arguing about it having been wrongfully excluded at trial.
    Or, unless he has new evidence that my warrant a new trial?
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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So you don't believe in the concept of due process? Straight from the jury to the execution chamber?
    No, I think there should be an appeal, or two, but this crap of waiting decades, while appeals sift through the system is BS.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    People who are unjustly put in prison can be released and compensated. How do you propose to compensate an innocent victim of the death penalty?
    Unless, of course, they die in prison. Then what?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Unless, of course, they die in prison. Then what?
    That's not a very sound criticism, considering that the death penalty is consciously and deliberately designed to induce...death, while prison deaths will be unintentional for criminal justice purposes.

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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Hell, has the State of Illinois ever actually executed a guilty person?

    There are reasons why I don't ever do anything in Illinois. I don't even drive through the state-- if I have to go east for some reason, I go around.

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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    It's actually a Tribune report on a Texas execution, but I'm sure the point stands.

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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    He shouldn't have to find evidence proving his innocence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution, and these claims cast reasonable doubt on the veracity of the prosecution's claims.
    And the prosecution proved his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt at trial, using the evidence that was available at the time. The fact that there is a dispute about that evidence 18 years later doesn't mean that the proper procedures weren't followed at the time of the trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    FACT: it cost taxpayers more to kill than to keep in jail for life. Look it up.
    This of course assumes that you place no value on the lives that are saved via deterrence resulting from the death penalty.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/us/18deter.html?_r=1

    For the first time in a generation, the question of whether the death penalty deters murders has captured the attention of scholars in law and economics, setting off an intense new debate about one of the central justifications for capital punishment.

    According to roughly a dozen recent studies, executions save lives. For each inmate put to death, the studies say, 3 to 18 murders are prevented.

    The effect is most pronounced, according to some studies, in Texas and other states that execute condemned inmates relatively often and relatively quickly.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    That's not a very sound criticism, considering that the death penalty is consciously and deliberately designed to induce...death, while prison deaths will be unintentional for criminal justice purposes.
    A prisoner is more likely to die in the general prison population than on death row.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Expert says fire for which man was executed was not arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    It's actually a Tribune report on a Texas execution, but I'm sure the point stands.
    Heh. Try to avoid Texas, too. Mea culpa.

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