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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    how in the world do you figure that the govt giving you 'your money' to decide which school your child will attend, more govt involvement?
    You're talking about government intervention here. I'd say if you guys were being consistent with doing away with social programs that vouchers would also go as well

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    I understand perfectly what vouchers are. People use them to send their kids to private schools. Social security is my money as well but aren't you against that? Medicare, Medicaid all money I pay out. Disability, unemployment insurance. Again be consistent. The same can be said about school vouchers as these programs which taxpayers pay into and at times use themselves.
    Caution; poster is attempting to drag the debate into the circle of futility by jumping to other subjects when their original argument/assertion was false.

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Um Rev kinda tried to make the case that somehow gunlocks violate the second amendment and prevent you from bearing arms. Totally incorrent. How does a gunlock prevent you from using a gun when you need it? This is ridiculous just take the damn thing off when you don't need it. Gun locks don't make guns useless anymore than having a safe that you store your gun in makes it useless. Gunlocks don't disarm the public again you're making an argument not based in logic
    You ask: "How does a gunlock prevent you from using a gun when you need it?"

    When do you think someone needs it? Perhaps when they are being attacked or threatened? How much time do you think you will have to remove the gunlock?

    Once again, if the debate is about Government mandating gunlocks, I am all over it. If this is just a semantical effort to enter into a circle of futility, count me out.

    If you think this Government doesn’t want to make handguns useless and ban them; think again.


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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    You're talking about government intervention here. I'd say if you guys were being consistent with doing away with social programs that vouchers would also go as well
    well since you can not grasp the simple concept that:

    the govt giving people back 'their own money' is NOT govt intervention, this conversation is done. Enjoy the day

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Caution; poster is attempting to drag the debate into the circle of futility by jumping to other subjects when their original argument/assertion was false.
    It was not false. We're talking about relation here. Tax dollars being used for programs. Vouchers take the money that would normally go to the public school system and shift it to the private sector. Government intervention otherwise those that could afford it would pay themselves to send their kids to private school. It's all related.


    You ask: "How does a gunlock prevent you from using a gun when you need it?"
    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    When do you think someone needs it? Perhaps when they are being attacked or threatened? How much time do you think you will have to remove the gunlock?
    This is absurd the original post talks about having gun owners being required to sell gunlocks when selling guns. Do you think you're going to be robbed the moment you leave the gun shop? It's still going to take time to load the gun. If you store it in your home you don't need to keep the gunlock on you could keep it in a safe or store it. All the law stated was selling gunlocks with guns. So again you're making a ridiculous argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Once again, if the debate is about Government mandating gunlocks, I am all over it. If this is just a semantical effort to enter into a circle of futility, count me out.
    So this doesn't answer my question how does this stop you from bearing arms/owning a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    If you think this Government doesn’t want to make handguns useless and ban them; think again.

    Nope already thought about it. You can rightfully own a handgun nothing making them useless unless you don't know how to use it.

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    well since you can not grasp the simple concept that:

    the govt giving people back 'their own money' is NOT govt intervention, this conversation is done. Enjoy the day
    Really now the money usually goes to public schools so the money would then go to pay for more expensive private schools. Just as if I pay into disability and i get disabled I'll be able to use that money. Again you're talking about a government run program.

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think the point of gun locks is this... A hefty percentage of weapons used by criminals out on the streets are actually stolen from the law-abiding gun owners during burglaries and car burglaries. A gun lock makes it more difficult for a gun to be stolen and used.

    I never really thought this point was difficult to understand, but clearly, it is for some people.

    A gun lock can also protect your children by making it impossible for them to use the gun when you aren't around.

    A good friend of mine, a sergeant in a gang unit in Utah...his daughter killed herself with his service revolver, which he kept on the top of his dresser.

    It's possible that a trigger lock MIGHT have prevented that.



    Childeren are like criminals in that they are very very resourceful, a gun lock will not be the deterrent you think it would be.


    Better suggestion?


    Eductation. lots of it.... I am sorry for your friends loss, but what did he teach her about guns other than "no"?
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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Obviously. No one is forcing trigger locks on anyone. However, when a gun is not in use, it makes sense to secure it, and that's what these tools are for.

    They are not an instrument of Satan, TD.



    I secure all my guns save for the one or more I keep in speed safes....


    I don't need a law forcing me to have a trigger lock on it as well. I can do for myself.
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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    How so it sounds like government getting involved in a private matter. Try to be consistent with your outrage. The government providing money for vouchers is government involvement.

    Oh my bad...


    My positionis the federal government should be out of the education business. states as well. It's a local issue.


    That said, if we are going to have government meddle in education, they neeed to allow choice.


    Why are you against this choice?


    So you're saying that you're going to be held at gunpoint the moment you exit the gun shop after you buy your gun? Come on don't be ridiculous.

    strawman FAIL


    Do you keep a gunlock on your gun when its not in use and stored in your home?
    No. I keep them in a vault, and in a couple speed safes, those are new though as I never had a need to lock up my quick reach weapons before now....




    Again I ask how do gun locks infringe on you owning a gun?
    The proposal is to force me to have a trigger lock. Bandidos won't wait for me to "unlock" my pistol....

    2nd time I said this. Please keep up.



    How exactly do gun locks stop you from buying guns?

    Strawman, It affects the "keep and bear" part of the 2nd... sorry...


    You can't be arsed to remove the gun lock when you actually need to use it?

    "arsed"? I am not following your use of an unfammilliar vernacular.



    Do you store you guns in the open at home or do you lock them up?


    What I actually do, is not something I talk about in detail. Lets just say woe unto those who would trespass inside my domicile.... Woe unto them.... :



    See above, I use speed safes, but have had weapons not locked up for all my life, and look, no one got shot accidentally...


    Why are you interested in what others do with guns inside thier homes, it's none of your business...
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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Wow 54 page's and not one person mention that the bastard was a terrorist Support not only that he gave them money. I'm speaking of those nice folks from Ireland the IRA.

    The funny thing is that Gordan"what deal'Brown gave him the title of "Sir' which he should have never had been given since it is a direct violation of the US Const. but hey its friggen Kennedy we don't need to care about some silly thing about the US Const. now do we. hell if it wasn't for the Mob his Sex/Drug crazy older brother woul dhave never got elected as the President.

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