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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

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    Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77Once again...

    Cut the personal attacks and insulting name calling.

    Cut the attempts to derail this onto entirely over points of conversation. I'd advise people to avoid taking the "9/11 Bush Cheney" bait, as that discussion at this point would be very one sided

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanitas View Post
    A US Senator for nine terms, Ted Kennedy most certainly served the people.
    Ted Kennedy was the drunken half-rate progeny of a wealthy man who used his power to buy him a place at Harvard, buy him a safe harbor during Korea, and buy him a seat in congress. You may think of him as some kind of American royalty, but he did NOTHING to earn those 9 terms except bear the proper surname to be elected in Massachusetts.

    He's deserving of about as much respect as Billy Mays the Sham Wow Guy.

    p.s. There you go, Zyphlin. I've briefly outlined my reasons for my ambivalence over Kennedy's death. As you'll note, there's nothing there about Mary Jo, although I will say that the only reason he did not serve time in prison is the same as the reason he was elected: his family's wealth and power.
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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    If that were my reasons for dancing, I'd have to give this further consideration, but it isn't.

    Forgive me for saying this, but I've been quite clear about my reasons, and I believe that you are willfully obtuse. If you have any questions about my reasons for not mourning, feel free to read up the thread.

    Wasn't speaking of you specifically but a majority of people that seem to be focusing primarily on that in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think it was a different scenario with ST though, as he was a team player, and everyone involved was on the same page, and the sum good would be enjoyed by the fans and team, so I think that was more of an "in honor of". Personal story here, my grandparents were thouroughbred owners and loved the ponies, I want to eventually race a horse in their names, and many of the current owners and track personnel still remember my grandparents, so it is something that would be something they loved, and the family and close friends would be the only people affected in most terms, well.....except for the bettors, the only way I would feel bad about that decision would be if the horse went lame or otherwise was a bad performer since my grandparents deserve a winner as a namesake, with the political thing though, I think it does a disservice as there could be real consequences to the whole of society, and agendas should never be furthered by tradgedy, it's no different in my mind than the "never let a good crisis go to waste" statement by Emmanuel.
    Well no, not everyone was on the same team.

    His TEAMMATES were on his team. But The giants, and the cowboys, and the other teams the Skin's played during that time weren't part of the same team there. Same for their fans.

    Much like with the Kennedy thing. Sure, CONSERVATIVES don't agree with him on Universal Health Care, but the majority of his "team" (the democrats) and his fans (democratic voters) very much DO agree with his notion of UHC.

    You're saying there will be real consequences, and knowing you as a poster I believe you really mean that in a generic "things could go either way" type of sense...but for most on "his team", they don't think there will be major consequence,s but major benefits to enacting this.

    Again, I see your point, I just don't really agree that whenever its done in politics, regardless of the context, that its tasteless.

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Ted Kennedy served HIMSELF. Please stop pretending otherwise.

    Wrong again.

    He was a prestigous statemen.

    His opponents in the Senate would never allow such trashy words to leave their mouths.

    The only persons with an ego-driven emotional agenda is, sadly, you and a few other hyper partisan posters.

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Wrong again.

    He was a prestigous statemen.

    His opponents in the Senate would never allow such trashy words to leave their mouths.

    The only persons with an ego-driven emotional agenda is, sadly, you and a few other hyper partisan posters.

    Yes, it's such a service that being in the Senate for 50+ years does all of us. I mean, it's not like "serving" in the senate doesn't entitle one to all kinds of personal perks like good pay, extensive benefits, a lucrative retirement package, free office space, and incredibly clout/status/ass-kissing. I mean, Teddy had his own professional staff of ass-kissers.

    That's practically identical to humping a 50 pound backpack through a desert in 110F temperatures wearing body armor, and being shot at by the locals.

    This is starting to sound like a whiny hollywood actress crying and moaning about the difficulties of fame.


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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Ted Kennedy was the drunken half-rate progeny of a wealthy man who used his power to buy him a place at Harvard, buy him a safe harbor during Korea, and buy him a seat in congress. You may think of him as some kind of American royalty, but he did NOTHING to earn those 9 terms except bear the proper surname to be elected in Massachusetts.

    He's deserving of about as much respect as Billy Mays the Sham Wow Guy.

    p.s. There you go, Zyphlin. I've briefly outlined my reasons for my ambivalence over Kennedy's death. As you'll note, there's nothing there about Mary Jo, although I will say that the only reason he did not serve time in prison is the same as the reason he was elected: his family's wealth and power.

    Trust me, I agree with you on the whole American Royalty thing. Here's my thing though....I kind of agree with you on the Billy Mays and Sham Wow Guy thing. Well, not entirely, I know you can't stand the man but I think its just blind hatred of the things around him to say that he did NOTHING that entire time that was worthy of some kind of respect. Even someone as dispicable as Jerry Farwell has done at least something in life with his station to was positive for some people. And I do just have respect for the OFFICE people hold at times, which is why the "Dear Leader" crap bugs me as much as the "Shrub" stuff did.

    Sorry rambling.

    But...yes, even with Billy May's death if someone came into a thread where people are simply paying respects and started in on how "He's an obnoxious ass who needs to get off my TV. I'm glad the guys dead, screw him, I don't have to hear him anymore" I'd be thinking that's incredibly classless as well.

    Just, in general, I think its a classless, disrespectful thing to do...not just to the dead, but to those doing their own version of mourning...to just immedietely launch into hate filled diatribes in the midle of it all, regardless of who it is.

    And yes, the caveat there for my view of it being classless or disrespectful does rely a bit on context around it. If someone started up a second kennedy thread slagging why he should get no respect I'd find it a little distasteful but not have much care nor say its very disrespectful...they're going and voicing their opinion and not disrespecting those around them by ****ting on their mourning (I know its hard for some people to grasp, but sometimes even when you've never met someone, people recognize another human died whose family will grieve over it and they wish to be respectful. Hell, even bhkad recognizes this). As such, when someone undoubtably gets us to the "Godwin's law" stage and say "Well would you say that if people were saying that about Hitler dieing?!" I'd say yes....if there was some thread with person after person paying their condolensces...I'm going to guess that wouldn't happen. (We're not storm front )

    Wow that got more long winded than i expected

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    but he did NOTHING to earn those 9 terms except bear the proper surname to be elected in Massachusetts.

    He's deserving of about as much respect as Billy Mays the Sham Wow Guy.

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    It is not "we" and it is not a matter of "think."

    You may not think he "earned" those terms, but apparently his Republican rivals along with his Democratic teammates have compelled themselves to send their heartfelt condolences.

    You, along with a couple other crazies, are posters on the fringe.

    No respectable person feels like you do.

    Not one Senator, not one Congressman.

    You belong on the shelf next to those jokers who think Bush and the US government were somehow responsible for 9/11.

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Just, in general, I think its a classless, disrespectful thing to do...not just to the dead, but to those doing their own version of mourning...to just immedietely launch into hate filled diatribes in the midle of it all, regardless of who it is.
    You know what? It's a matter of degree. If Teddy's daughter were on here, the last thing I'd do was slag her daddy. But, the cult of celebrity in the U.S. where people are mourning freaking Billy Mays who sold rags on television is just...bizarre. And, it's the cult of celebrity that I'm resisting.

    A very well-liked governor, Lawton Chiles, passed away in Florida a few years ago. There were a lot of outpourings of sentiment in regards to it, and I could understand that. He lived and worked here, he raised a family here, and people were very attached to him.

    But, I have zero attachment to Billy Mays, Michael Jackson, Farrah Fawcett, or Teddy Kennedy, and neither does anyone else here.

    I think it's bizarre that we're "mourning" this man. Mourning is reserved for people who actually MATTER. Our cult of celebrity gives us the idea that people we've seen on television somehow have a connection to us, but they don't know us, and didn't care about us, and wouldn't have known us on the street.

    I'm going to spend more time mourning an average rifleman who dies on the sands of Iraq or the mountains of Afghanistan, or frankly, an Iranian voter who is gunned down in the streets of Islamabad more than I do Teddy Kennedy. Because those people, in the scheme of things, GAVE MORE, and MATTER MORE.

    Call me classless, i'll deal.

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Trust me, I agree with you on the whole American Royalty thing. Here's my thing though....I kind of agree with you on the Billy Mays and Sham Wow Guy thing. Well, not entirely, I know you can't stand the man but I think its just blind hatred of the things around him to say that he did NOTHING that entire time that was worthy of some kind of respect. Even someone as dispicable as Jerry Farwell has done at least something in life with his station to was positive for some people. And I do just have respect for the OFFICE people hold at times, which is why the "Dear Leader" crap bugs me as much as the "Shrub" stuff did.

    Sorry rambling.

    But...yes, even with Billy May's death if someone came into a thread where people are simply paying respects and started in on how "He's an obnoxious ass who needs to get off my TV. I'm glad the guys dead, screw him, I don't have to hear him anymore" I'd be thinking that's incredibly classless as well.

    Just, in general, I think its a classless, disrespectful thing to do...not just to the dead, but to those doing their own version of mourning...to just immedietely launch into hate filled diatribes in the midle of it all, regardless of who it is.

    And yes, the caveat there for my view of it being classless or disrespectful does rely a bit on context around it. If someone started up a second kennedy thread slagging why he should get no respect I'd find it a little distasteful but not have much care nor say its very disrespectful...they're going and voicing their opinion and not disrespecting those around them by ****ting on their mourning (I know its hard for some people to grasp, but sometimes even when you've never met someone, people recognize another human died whose family will grieve over it and they wish to be respectful. Hell, even bhkad recognizes this). As such, when someone undoubtably gets us to the "Godwin's law" stage and say "Well would you say that if people were saying that about Hitler dieing?!" I'd say yes....if there was some thread with person after person paying their condolensces...I'm going to guess that wouldn't happen. (We're not storm front )

    Wow that got more long winded than i expected
    I actually thought someone would bring up Hitler dying awhile ago.

    And are you referring to me? I think I began posting around the middle of the thread responding to someone who was "happy about the scumbag dying" (something to that sort). I can't sit here while someone is doing something so "classless" as The_Limt would have it.
    "All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language...No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - John Donne

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Not one Senator, not one Congressman.
    You can't possibly know that.

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