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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Wrong; you made a statement unsubstantiated by any facts and I challenged you to prove them.

    Carry on.
    Wrong again.

    The claim is substantiated by the largest study accomplished on US health care and administration ever to date. It was authored by researchers at Harvard Medical School and, I believe, published in 2006.

    Though I did make an error I wish to clarify.

    Private insurance carriers do not spend 30 per cent on over head. The number averages closer to 12 to 17 per cent depending on the carrier.

    The study appeared in a prestigous, academic and peer-reviewed journal -International Journal of Health Services.

    It is too long to post the entire study, and I am not in the habit of doing your homework for you.
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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    How can you compare a few people who disliked the mans policies on a generic internet board to lifelong politicians trying to pass a law on the grief over his death????

    How can you justify comparing the two?

    Just a bit over the top don't you think?
    I'm not saying they're on the same level, what I am saying they're both similarly rather tasteless, classless things to do and having a cow about one while not giving a passing care for the other makes me wonder if its principally or politically motivated.

    That being said, yes, I actually think bad mouthing the dead, especially to the level some have, hours after their death in the middle of people who are trying to be respectful just to cause an uproar is more classless than stating you're going to champion the cause that the person that just died faught for for decades.

    Tasteless would've been coming out and saying he wouldn't be dead today if we had universal healthcare because it'd be politicizing it with little fact to support (Much like idiotic comments about how a random school shooting automatically means we need new gun laws). But saying you're going to champion his cause and make it your mission to get it passed isn't the same thing in my eyes.

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
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    Really?

    I think its kind of tasteless to do it this quick, but you've got people ****ting on the man before he's cold all over in here and you're having a cow over the fact that people are using his death to try and spur a political philosophy forward that he's championed for decades?
    Both are distasteful, but I don't begrudge others personal opinions and won't call them on it, that's between them and those that disagree, it affects none of us in any real way, I find using the dead as a political tool to be the most heinous of behaviors though, and it's chilling, if they did succeed in using Sen. Kennedy's death as a call to UHC then our taxes go up and our healthcare goes down, it affects us all, and worse yet, it will have worked and thus further this particular barbaric and classless behavior.

    If they were pushing forward something he wouldn't have agreed with I'd be right there with you, but this would be like people after Heston's death going "We're going to honor his memory by pushing against those that seek unconstituional gun laws" saying they should go to hell for doing it.
    I think that was equally disgusting to be honest, and reserve the same judgement, the dead should never be used as a means to an end, no matter their stance on the issue, it's a very bad card to play.
    I don't think its that bad to use the memory of a man to help push something he's unquestionablly had been in favor of. Though I do think doing it within hours of his death is horribly tasteless.
    I think we can agree on the timing, but I have to disagree with you on the issue overall.
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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    Tasteless would've been coming out and saying he wouldn't be dead today if we had universal healthcare because it'd be politicizing it with little fact to support (Much like idiotic comments about how a random school shooting automatically means we need new gun laws). But saying you're going to champion his cause and make it your mission to get it passed isn't the same thing in my eyes.
    Saying you as a person would take up the fight and champion their cause is not a problem, in my opinion that is respectful, what I gleemed from the report though was that these politicians and other politicos were saying, to paraphrase "we need to get this done now in memory of Sen. Kennedy", which I have a MASSIVE problem with.
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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Both are distasteful, but I don't begrudge others personal opinions and won't call them on it, that's between them and those that disagree, it affects none of us in any real way, I find using the dead as a political tool to be the most heinous of behaviors though, and it's chilling, if they did succeed in using Sen. Kennedy's death as a call to UHC then our taxes go up and our healthcare goes down, it affects us all, and worse yet, it will have worked and thus further this particular barbaric and classless behavior.

    I think that was equally disgusting to be honest, and reserve the same judgement, the dead should never be used as a means to an end, no matter their stance on the issue, it's a very bad card to play. I think we can agree on the timing, but I have to disagree with you on the issue overall.
    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. While I believe there are ways you can use a dead politicians name in a disgraceful and tasteless way, especially if you make it a focal point continually over and over, I don't think as a general rule its wrong. In a way its honoring them.

    And its not just politicians this happens to.

    From my own experience I can even look to sports and my football teams 2007 season. Everything that happened after the murder of Sean Taylor was somehow connected with him. The 4 game win streak was dedicated to him, towels with his number were given out, he was on the lips of every fan, was talked about in every interview, was part of every pregame speech. Players even at time credited his spirit with helping their plays. The entire end of that season was pretty much cemented in the memory and in honor of Sean Taylor. They were going to win those games FOR SEAN. They were going to get to the playoffs FOR SEAN. Some could've, and likely outside of the fanbase did, call it classless or tasteless that they were "using" Taylor in that way to try and ramp up emotions, increase the crowds, and propel themselves into the playoffs...but to the fanbase and to those close to it there's not a doubt in my mind it had far, far, far more to do with honoring the memory of their fallen safety.

    I think it can be done in a classless and tasteless way, but just in and of itself, using a persons death to try and help continue the battle they've strived for for so long isn't classless or wrong in my mind. I understand where you're coming from, I just disagree.

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not saying they're on the same level, what I am saying they're both similarly rather tasteless, classless things to do and having a cow about one while not giving a passing care for the other makes me wonder if its principally or politically motivated.
    That makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That being said, yes, I actually think bad mouthing the dead, especially to the level some have, hours after their death in the middle of people who are trying to be respectful just to cause an uproar is more classless than stating you're going to champion the cause that the person that just died faught for for decades.
    I have to admit I don't care. I did not wish death on the man, but I am glad he is gone.

    This also turned into one of the most fun threads in a long time.
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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Here's a question: How does a name like Edward become Ted? That and Richard becoming Dick and Robert becoming Bob always make me wonder.
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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well that pretty much sums up the grand total of what you have said in this whole thread.
    I do not wish to respond to vacuous comments.

    Dancing on someone's grave is the issue here, not me.

    Either one participates in such a classless exercise, or one does not.

    It is a dispicable act and I will stubbornly defend the point of view that sees such behaviour as lacking dignity and civility.

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    Re: Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You think mourning some politician who you never knew is normal?

    How many times have you mourned the death of a Soldier or Marine? How many whiney, cry-baby threads do they get?
    You're right. I've never mourned the death of a solider or marine. I've also never danced on their grave, happy to see them off the face of the earth.
    "All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language...No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - John Donne

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