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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You got me there, Jerry.

    I have to concede that my experience with people kicking up a fuss when asked to remove clothing is considerable less than yours.
    Amish people only wear prayer veils within the religious setting. They would consider it anathema to wear them in public.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Amish people only wear prayer veils within the religious setting. They would consider it anathema to wear them in public.
    Oh.


    Well that, too.
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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And I support that.

    We don't let the Amish get away with it, so why would we let Muslims

    Oh noes!!1!11! here comes Catz "the Amish are trying to take over the country.." ...and F107 "the Amish prayer veil is a public safety hazard..."
    OK I already admited that I got a little hyperbolic on the public safety claim. The reason that the veil needed to be removed is to facilitate proper court procedings and open testmony.
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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I said nothing trollish.

    Feel free to stick it where the sun don't shine.
    OMG he has to travel all th way to the seventh planet from the Sun !!
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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    OK I already admited that I got a little hyperbolic on the public safety claim.
    Every time someone reads your OP for the first time, you're saying that hyperbole again. So long as the OP remains as written, you're still saying it.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    The reason that the veil needed to be removed is to facilitate proper court procedings and open testmony.
    Mhmm, I have no problem with that, but you jumped right to the hyperbole and into the hands of media sensationalism.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Reasonable request.
    There is no need to cover face in a court and no it does not infringe her right to practice seeing the niqab is not a religious practice in any shape or form.
    YEH !! That makes sense since that nitbob thing you mentioned is a cultural thing not a relligious item.
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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    YEH !! That makes sense since that nitbob thing you mentioned is a cultural thing not a relligious item.
    The hijab is a religious object, if that was asked to be removed. Then she would be right to refuse. The niqab is not nor has it ever been part of Islam and compulsory. It is a cultural practice inherited from pre islamic traditions and incoporated later on.


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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    YEH !! That makes sense since that nitbob thing you mentioned is a cultural thing not a relligious item.
    Many Arab Muslim women consider it to be religious in nature.
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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Many Arab Muslim women consider it to be religious in nature.
    If a judge asked a Christian to take off a particularly disruptive crucifix, that Christian would have to comply even though the crucifix is "religious in nature".

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If a judge asked a Christian to take off a particularly disruptive crucifix, that Christian would have to comply even though the crucifix is "religious in nature".
    I'm trying to imagine how exactly a crucifix could be particularly disruptive, but my imagination is failing me.

    Absent a compelling reason, judges should not be interfering with people's religious beliefs. And I don't see any compelling reason in this case.
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