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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    30 years lol. Around the same time we let black people drink from the same fountains as white people. The same time gays were killed because they were gay. That was soooooooooo long ago.
    Some of us actually remember those days.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Have you been to court lately? NO ONE is required to swear on the Bible these days, and they haven't required that kind of oath for at least 30 years. You should really stop watching Perry Mason re-runs.
    Yeah I was in court a few months ago...yes you do have to take the oath.

    Maybe you're the one who needs to lay off the Law and Order?

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    if you're talking about a veil.....how does that compromise safety?
    If you're talking about a head scarf, I have no concerns, but a facial veil that reveals only the eyes could lead to concerns about establishing the identity of a witness, and interpretation problems with witness testimony by the jury and/or judge. It's the blocking of the face that bothers me, frankly.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah I was in court a few months ago...yes you do have to take the oath.

    Maybe you're the one who needs to lay off the Law and Order?
    You have to take an oath, but you don't have to swear on any religious text. In fact, you don't have to "swear" at all. You can "affirm" instead.
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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah I was in court a few months ago...yes you do have to take the oath.

    Maybe you're the one who needs to lay off the Law and Order?
    You have to swear "to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." There is, generally speaking, no religious clause anymore. Or, in a state which uses a bible, you can request an alternate religious book or no book at all.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You have to take an oath, but you don't have to swear on any religious text. In fact, you don't have to "swear" at all. You can "affirm" instead.
    I wasn't given an option, and I didn't care, either. I was more concerned with why I was at court to begin with, not some trivial word like "swear".

    I guess you have to be hypersensitive to even care about what word is being used.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You have to swear "to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." There is, generally speaking, no religious clause anymore. Or, in a state which uses a bible, you can request an alternate religious book or no book at all.
    Right, so now you're equivocating. First you said one didn't have to take an oath, now you're saying they do have to take an oath.

    As for the bible or reference to a god.....who gives a crap? One way or the other, why should anyone care?
    Last edited by Jerry; 08-26-09 at 04:13 PM.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I wasn't given an option, and I didn't care, either. I was more concerned with why I was at court to begin with, not some trivial word like "swear".

    I guess you have to be hypersensitive to even care about what word is being used.
    Some people feel it violates their religion to swear on a holy document (or to swear at all, even in the non-cursing sense). As long as they've said that they'll tell the truth, I don't really have a problem with whatever wording they want to use.
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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right, so now you're equivocating. First you said one didn't have to take an oath, now you're saying they do have to take an oath.

    As for the bible or reference to a god.....who gives a crap? One way or the other, why should anyone care?
    It varies depending on the state, but no one is forced to swear to a religion that they do not believe.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right, so now you're equivocating. First you said one didn't have to take an oath, now you're saying they do have to take an oath.

    As for the bible or reference to a god.....who gives a crap? One way or the other, why should anyone care?
    Bravo! So in a small claims civil case, why should one care if she wears a religious head garment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Don't you know how this game is played? I guess not. It's the same game for establishing gay-marriage, abortion, gun control, etc.

    Once the rule is established in a trivial small claims court, the rule then has credibility and legal precedent, which can then be used to enforce said rule in a higher court...then a higher court....and so it goes.
    To quote the bottom of the article under discussion I would like to point out -
    "Last month, the Judicial Council of Georgia adopted a policy allowing religious head coverings in the state's courtrooms, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported."

    So now everyone can run around in court with head garments everywhere!
    and so it goes...

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