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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Sounds just about right, when in court you have to take of your Yankee hat but not your yamulka? Why is being in a religious cult respected so much more then being part of a sports cult?
    Good question to ask about a non religious affiliated govt that requires we swear to God on the bible before we testify.


    "Reasonable control over the appearance of parties and witnesses" so as to "ensure that the demeanor of such persons may be observed and assessed by the fact-finder and ensure the accurate identification of such person." - - -

    It seems fine and dandy, so long as the Constitution isn't overruled by such a measure. In looking at it in the perspective of the First Amendment, it is frankly an unjust rule.
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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    She said nothing about them taking over the country.
    Yes she did, because that's the argument, see below....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It has more to do with moving the bar by demanding special accomidations. THis has proven a successful strategy in the U.K. where the accomidations have now become such that certain practices of Sharia law now receive the full support of the British legal system.

    This is a POLITICAL move aimed at exerting pressure upon our own legal system towards similar ends (althouth the position reached in the U.K. is by no means an endpoint).
    See? You said it yourself, this is the early stages of establishing Sharia law.

    So she did say it, and I was right.

    The judge has the right to tell her to take it off, or let her keep it on, either or.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm guessing it was her connection to CAIR that tipped me off.

    Jesus Crist, Jerry, pay attention.
    If you have information why did you choose the hyperbole instead of an intelligent post?

    Entertainment value? I can appreciate that

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    I don't see the necessity to be so rigid in a small claims court, really.

    If it was a murder trial I could understand the need to be able to see the witness' face. But not for small potatoes stuff like this.
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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I don't see the necessity to be so rigid in a small claims court, really.

    If it was a murder trial I could understand the need to be able to see the witness' face. But not for small potatoes stuff like this.
    Don't you know how this game is played? I guess not. It's the same game for establishing gay-marriage, abortion, gun control, etc.

    Once the rule is established in a trivial small claims court, the rule then has credibility and legal precedent, which can then be used to enforce said rule in a higher court...then a higher court....and so it goes.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The right of the accused to face their accusers.
    Actually the Sixth Amendment says people have the right to be CONFRONTED by their accusers. She was in fact physically present in the courtroom. Furthermore, the amendment says "In all criminal proceedings..." This was a civil proceeding.
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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Good question to ask about a non religious affiliated govt that requires we swear to God on the bible before we testify.
    Have you been to court lately? NO ONE is required to swear on the Bible these days, and they haven't required that kind of oath for at least 30 years. You should really stop watching Perry Mason re-runs.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    See? You said it yourself, this is the early stages of establishing Sharia law.

    So she did say it, and I was right.

    The judge has the right to tell her to take it off, or let her keep it on, either or.
    I think it's a matter of scale, Jerry. In Florida, the odds of Sharia law ever being implemented are slim to none. In Dearborn, Michigan, though? You bet that's where the Islamic community is ultimately pushing things.

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    30 years lol. Around the same time we let black people drink from the same fountains as white people. The same time gays were killed because they were gay. That was soooooooooo long ago.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Michigan courts given leeway to force veil removal

    if you're talking about a veil.....how does that compromise safety?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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