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    CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    The Obama Administration will launch criminal investigations into brutal Bush-era terror interrogations after a report tonight revealed that operatives threatened to kill the children of a key September 11 suspect, and told another his mother would be sexually assaulted in front of him.

    The report, which also said detainees suffered mock executions and death threats, convinced Eric Holder, President Obama’s Attorney-General, to appoint veteran federal prosecutor John Durham to investigate CIA abuse of terror suspects.
    According to the report, written five years ago by the CIA’s former inspector general John Helgerson, one CIA interrogator told Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-proclaimed mastermind of the September 11 attacks: “We’re going to kill your children” if there was another terror strike on US soil.

    Another interrogator allegedly tried to convince another detainee that his mother would be brought to the jail and sexually assaulted in front of him, a claim the CIA operative has denied.

    Mr Holder’s decision was bolstered by a recommendation from his Justice Department’s ethics office to reopen nearly a dozen alleged abuse cases. “I fully realise my decision … will be controversial,” Mr Holder said tonight.
    CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children' - Times Online

    Oh, 9/11 suspect or not. I don't think threatening children is right if this is true.
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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    I was going to refrain comment until we find out if this is even true, but I decided I would go ahead and say that my sympathy meter is still pegged at zero.

    Now, if they would have actually killed his children, that would be different.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Can't say i am surprised.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Can't say i am surprised.
    Of course you can.

    But, look at my perspective: the 9/11 conspirators killed around 2,800 non-military personel, in an unprovoked attack. If CIA operators messed with guys head and didn't actually harm his family, then I don't have a problem with it. The Americans that died on 9/11 are really dead. This cat's kids aren't. There's no telling what this dude has done in the past, so if he gets his gord rattled with a few verbal threats, then tough **** for him.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Terrorists also threaten one's family as do mobsters.
    What now diffrentiates between the CIA interrogators vs a gangster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Terrorists also threaten one's family as do mobsters.
    What now diffrentiates between the CIA interrogators vs a gangster?
    We are supposed to be better, are we not?
    What moral ground do we have if we resort to their tactics?


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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    My god do any of you people realise what nations do in wars? Threatening children isnt unleashing 15000 guns on Berlin, it isnt fire bombing Tokyo.


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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Terrorists also threaten one's family as do mobsters.
    What now diffrentiates between the CIA interrogators vs a gangster?
    I heard some marine somewhere raped some girl.

    What now differentiates the Marine Corps from a roving band of rapists?
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    We are supposed to be better, are we not?
    What moral ground do we have if we resort to their tactics?
    It's not just a matter of morals alone; it's the problem of the quality of the intel you get.
    Through such measures you will never know whether or not the intel you collect is any good. People will admit to anything under duress.
    Our soliders admitted to being criminals against humanity when the N. Koreans and Viet Cong tortured them. Giving taped confessions and admissions of guilt.
    Look at the solider that was captured by the Taliban - on camera admitting various criminal and murderous acts.
    It's a stupid methodology that only serves to satisfy a very primitive form of instinct by some very narrow minded who do not seek for intel, but punishment.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I heard some marine somewhere raped some girl.

    What now differentiates the Marine Corps from a roving band of rapists?
    If it was simply a case of a few bad apples that's one issue.
    The problem is with the policy of "gloves coming off" and what we now see more and more instances of are that torture was the general policy.
    Then it's no longer an instance of one or two bad apples, but the policy itself is producing bad busshels.
    When it's the policy, should we be surprised that there are so many accounts of going above and beyond? Where do you draw the line of psychologically intimidation of drowning to death vs drilled to death, vs threatening family with death? You can't and it's unrealistic to assume that there can be any such distinction made in the field when the mind of the practitioner thinks he can make any threat to obtain info. That's the underlying problem with "gloves come off".

    As for your specific example. Some Marine vs roving band of rapists, the plurality itself should be sufficient to distinguish.
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