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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Gotcha... so when the IG report say that all three of these terrorists starting singing like canaries after being water boarded, then in your mind, it had nothing to do with it...
    Problem is they started to sing fairy tales to stop the torture. Show us any report that says torture actually resulted in good information that wouldn't have been gotten with normal techniques.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Clearly you didn't even read your own source, Gill.
    Oh, I read it. The difference between us is that I comprehended what it says.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Problem is they started to sing fairy tales to stop the torture. Show us any report that says torture actually resulted in good information that wouldn't have been gotten with normal techniques.
    So all the other terrorists they arrested based on the "fairy tales" didn't happen??

    following the use of EITs, he provided information about his most current operational planning and [redacted] as opposed to the historical information he provided before the use of EITs.
    Seems clear to me.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Show me links where torture techniques were officially authorized by our government to interrogate prisoners? (prior to Bush that is)
    That's easy.... here's a little from WW2:
    The Americans had used methods similar to those employed by the SS in Dachau. … Worse still were the mock executions, where the men were led off in hoods, while their guards told them they were approaching the gallows. Prisoners were actually lifted bodily off the ground to convince them they were about to swing. More conventional methods of torture included kicks to the groin, deprivation of sleep and food and savage beatings. When the Americans set up a commission of inquiry into the methods used by their investigators, they found that, of the 139 cases examined, 137 had “had their testicles permanently destroyed by kicks received from the American War Crimes Investigation team.”

    within a year of the end of the war, the priorities had changed to concentrated intelligence-gathering about the Russians. Anyone of any nationality who had had any contact with the Soviet Zone as a deserter, refugee or ex-POW of the Russians and who fell into British or American hands could find himself in one of these interrogation centers, and exposed to appalling brutality. Among these were actual Soviet agents … Their methods included, among other things, savage beatings, starvation, deprivation of sleep, and removal of clothing. Men were kept standing for hours. Some only made it to interrogation on all fours. Many never came out alive … In the British-run prisons, when nothing more could be got out of a prisoner he was brought before a secret military court where he would be tried on a trumped-up charge; his silence was ensured by a severe prison sentence. The Political Branch of the British Control Commission soon stopped that particular practice. According to one Political Branch document, a sentence of any kind could not be imposed on someone “whose only crime is to have had the misfortune to acquire a too detailed knowledge of our methods of interrogation.”
    Cruel Allied Occupiers - The New York Review of Books

    Let me know if you want more. I'll even teach you how to use Google.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Just keep watching the news.

    Edit: Would you point out some of these "Bogus Claims" you allude to above?
    Paraphrasing a bit.

    In regards to the health care protests in general.

    "The majority of and the loudest protesters at any of these rallies are republican operatives, paid by the RNC and the health care industry."

    "These protests are staged events with many of the same people appearing across the country and paid by the RNC"

    In regards to the Heather Blish:

    "Now we have proof of the GOP Operatives charge"

    "Because she is the first GOP Operative caught in a lie"

    "I think its mroe likely than not that she was there at the urging of and behest or truly acting as an operative of the GOP. Can I prove it? Not yet but I'll bet.."

    That's not even going into your idiotic accusations of sedition.

    You have a history on this forum in short order of making outrageous, outlandish, extreme claims based on little to no facts then when you get called on it whinging about how its "your opinion" and telling us to "just wait, facts will come out".

    Well guess what, facts AREN'T out that support the idiotic things you claim and just stating "They'll come out in time" and hiding about your "opinion" doesn't protect people from riping your baseless, worthless, tiredly repetitive accusations and claims to shreds ...especially since they're put together so shabbily in the first place.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children' - Times Online

    Oh, 9/11 suspect or not. I don't think threatening children is right if this is true.
    I have to say, liberal or not, the behavior i heard about was not that big a deal. i'm not condoning torture, but this is not torture imo.

    threatening children is one thing, actually killing them is another, as khalid sheikh mohammed did.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    mobsters follow through.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    That's easy.... here's a little from WW2:

    Cruel Allied Occupiers - The New York Review of Books

    Let me know if you want more. I'll even teach you how to use Google.

    Your dodge wont work. I asked for acts that were officially authorized by our government, not crimes committed by individuals.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Gotcha... so when the IG report say that all three of these terrorists starting singing like canaries after being water boarded, then in your mind, it had nothing to do with it...

    How's life at fantasy island..

    You're one of those people that wouldn't believe anything that disputed your predetermined beliefs. Have a nice day.
    Gill I have a question on which of the 183 sessions of waterboarding did KSM start singing like a canary? How about Abu Zubaydah (who wasn't a member of al-qaeda) which of the 83 sessions did he sing on?

    Al-Nashiri most people don't even talk about to justify torture as he was a prime example of how worthless torture was. In his sessions Nashiri made 7 false confessions:

    1. The French Merchant Vessel Limburg incident
    2. The USS Cole
    3. Rockets in Saudi Arabia
    4. Plans to bomb American ships in the gulf
    5. A relationship with those committing bombings in Saudi Arabia
    6. Bin Laden having a nuclear weapon
    7. Plan to highjack a plane and crash it into a ship

    Now waterboarding was never intended to get accurate information when we learned the technique from the Koreans they had been using it to elicit false confessions. If it was such an effective technique they wouldn't have had to use it over 80 times in a single month on two different prisoners.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Gill I have a question on which of the 183 sessions of waterboarding did KSM start singing like a canary? How about Abu Zubaydah (who wasn't a member of al-qaeda) which of the 83 sessions did he sing on?

    Al-Nashiri most people don't even talk about to justify torture as he was a prime example of how worthless torture was. In his sessions Nashiri made 7 false confessions:

    1. The French Merchant Vessel Limburg incident
    2. The USS Cole
    3. Rockets in Saudi Arabia
    4. Plans to bomb American ships in the gulf
    5. A relationship with those committing bombings in Saudi Arabia
    6. Bin Laden having a nuclear weapon
    7. Plan to highjack a plane and crash it into a ship

    Now waterboarding was never intended to get accurate information when we learned the technique from the Koreans they had been using it to elicit false confessions. If it was such an effective technique they wouldn't have had to use it over 80 times in a single month on two different prisoners.
    You seem to have all the answers, so you tell me.

    A link to your claims would be nice.

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