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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What?

    Wait, 1990-2000 Terrorist are treated as a law enforcement issue... the attacks get worse culmination 9/11/01.

    Bush sets a new tone, much harder, attacks stop...

    Obama is going back to the more Law Enforcement approach.

    Should there be one or more terrorist attacks on US Soil...would that be enough to make you doubt the law enforcement approach? Or would you stand by your above logic?
    How about giving Bush the credit he deserves for this planet not be hit by a giant asteroid during his regime? (wasn't that due to his use of torture & spying on us all too?)

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    First, I think that going forward with this investigation sets a horrible precedent for the country and is the wrong thing to do.

    Second, with that said, if the investigation finds wrong doing then the people that did it need to be called to task.

    Third, with THAT said, you're not going to find me having any sympathy or saying its some big horrible morally corrupt thing. If he actually carried out said threat you'd have my support, but not just stating it.

    Fourth, someone idiotically asked what seperates us from Mobsters and terrorists, which is ludicrous. I know this may be hard to believe, but the reason terrorist and mobsters are bad isn't just beacuse they threaten children. Get back to me when our interrogators are:

    Mass murdering civilians
    Sending out tapes of people being decapitated
    Running extortion and protection rings
    Carrying out mass murder plots
    Actually carrying out said threat by killing the family member
    etc etc

    So no, a few interrogators going overboard and making an IDLE threat does not make us "The same" as mobster sand terrorists.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    How about giving Bush the credit he deserves for this planet not be hit by a giant asteroid during his regime? (wasn't that due to his use of torture & spying on us all too?)
    How old are you Devil?

    Just curious.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    How old are you Devil?

    Just curious.
    62 yrs old

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Get back to me when our interrogators are:

    Mass murdering civilians
    Sending out tapes of people being decapitated
    Running extortion and protection rings
    Carrying out mass murder plots
    Actually carrying out said threat by killing the family member
    etc etc

    So no, a few interrogators going overboard and making an IDLE threat does not make us "The same" as mobster sand terrorists.
    Pretty low bar you set for our morality.
    The difference that I see is that individuals will occasionally go to far & do immoral things...That's just human nature.



    BUT


    This country has never before countenanced state sponsored torture as a legitimate interrogation tool. That is inexcusable & deserves to be punished.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Sigh.

    I guess you forget, or don't care, that the soil of a US Embassy, is US Soil.

    But you're a calm moderate fellow who is beyond such "extreme" and out dated thinking like that right?
    Wait...so the U.S. Embassy in Iraq hasn't been attacked in the past 8 years?

    U.S. Embassy in Iraq attacked

    U.S. Nabs 7 in Embassy attack

    2008 Consulate attack in Istanbul by Al-Qaeda

    Five killed in 2007 U.S. Embassy attack

    What was that?

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

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    THREATS of something is now "Torture"?

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Terrorists also threaten one's family as do mobsters.
    What now diffrentiates between the CIA interrogators vs a gangster?
    Not actually following through with the threats, for one thing.


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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
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    THREATS of something is now "Torture"?
    Kinda stupid, innit?

    Do I think we tortured? Yes.

    Is this situation as described torture? Absolutely not.

    Is it inappropriate? Not really. Threats are not torture.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
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    THREATS of something is now "Torture"?
    First of all....All the facts are not out yet & I believe actual acts of murder will be proven.
    Second, threatening a prisoner with a drill or with execution is indeed torture under most internationally accepted treaties. (I believe including the Geneva conventions we signed)

    They fall under psychological torture....which is still torture
    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_torture_methods_and_devices[/ame]
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-25-09 at 10:26 AM.

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