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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    If it was simply a case of a few bad apples that's one issue.
    The problem is with the policy of "gloves coming off" and what we now see more and more instances of are that torture was the general policy.
    Then it's no longer an instance of one or two bad apples, but the policy itself is producing bad busshels.
    When it's the policy, should we be surprised that there are so many accounts of going above and beyond? Where do you draw the line of psychologically intimidation of drowning to death vs drilled to death, vs threatening family with death? You can't and it's unrealistic to assume that there can be any such distinction made in the field when the mind of the practitioner thinks he can make any threat to obtain info. That's the underlying problem with "gloves come off".

    As for your specific example. Some Marine vs roving band of rapists, the plurality itself should be sufficient to distinguish.
    If you're convinced it's "bushels" of people and a much higher percentage than in the military, why don't you share with us the number of interrogators that you think broke the law, and then compare that with the overall number of interrogators.
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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If you're convinced it's "bushels" of people and a much higher percentage than in the military, why don't you share with us the number of interrogators that you think broke the law, and then compare that with the overall number of interrogators.
    Given the heavy redaction of all the reports as well asso much still being classified I can not give you any number.
    What I can give you is only but a rationale as to how it's problematic to dehumanize a prisoner treating them as subhuman and legitimizing the torture of - politics asside I'm sure that as a legal scholar yourself it shouldn't be that difficult to understand that concept.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children' - Times Online

    Oh, 9/11 suspect or not. I don't think threatening children is right if this is true.
    Who cares?

    KSM, the guy that planned 9/11, killed 3,000+ Fellow Americans.. was threatened if another attack hit the USA, his kids would die.

    So freaking what?
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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Who cares?

    KSM, the guy that planned 9/11, killed 3,000+ Fellow Americans.. was threatened if another attack hit the USA, his kids would die.

    So freaking what?
    I believe this is part of what is being discussed in another thread, and that these actions where illegal even by the Bush interpretation of the law. If that is the case, then yes, those involved should be prosecuted. We all should care when those who work for us break the law.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children' - Times Online

    Oh, 9/11 suspect or not. I don't think threatening children is right if this is true.
    Unfortunately, The perpetrators of torture will not be held accountable. Sad that our country no longer has any sense of justice:

    Eric Holder announces investigation based on Abu Ghraib model - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com
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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Who cares?

    KSM, the guy that planned 9/11, killed 3,000+ Fellow Americans.. was threatened if another attack hit the USA, his kids would die.

    So freaking what?
    For someone who champions the constitutions and the rule of law, you sure are inconsistent in applying such things. If the end justifies your means, apparently none of it matters.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Unfortunately, The perpetrators of torture will not be held accountable. Sad that our country no longer has any sense of justice:

    Eric Holder announces investigation based on Abu Ghraib model - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com
    From your source:

    Attorney General Eric Holder today confirmed what has been suspected for many weeks: he has ordered what he calls "a preliminary review into whether federal laws were violated in connection with the interrogation of specific detainees at overseas locations." Holder's decision does not amount to the appointment of a Special Prosecutor, since a preliminary review is used, as he emphasized, "to gather information to determine whether there is sufficient predication to warrant a full investigation of a matter." More important, the scope of the "review" is limited at the outset to those who failed to "act in good faith and within the scope of legal guidance" -- meaning only those interrogators and other officials who exceeded the torture limits which John Yoo and Jay Bybee approved. Those who, with good faith, tortured within the limits of the OLC memos will "be protected from legal jeopardy" (the full Holder statement is here).
    I think that is the right course. It would not serve the country to go after those acting in good faith doing what they were told was legal, nor would it serve the country to do something as politically divisive as go after those who made the decisions to go ahead.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    From your source:



    I think that is the right course. It would not serve the country to go after those acting in good faith doing what they were told was legal, nor would it serve the country to do something as politically divisive as go after those who made the decisions to go ahead.
    I am just hoping they don't limit it too much. It's a mighty large loophole for people to slip through. I know they will do the best they can, but I'm not sure the net is being thrown wide enough.
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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    I am just hoping they don't limit it too much. It's a mighty large loophole for people to slip through. I know they will do the best they can, but I'm not sure the net is being thrown wide enough.
    I have always felt that our legal system is based on the idea that it is better to let some one guilty get off than to convict some one innocent. Same thing here...better to do too little, than too much.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children' - Times Online

    Oh, 9/11 suspect or not. I don't think threatening children is right if this is true.
    Aww poor little mastermind of the mass murder of 3 thousand people. They didn't give him cake and ice cream.

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