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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Quote from Inspector Generals report.

    Any more questions??
    That report mentions nothing about torture.
    The memo that had just been released claims that certain ploys were revealed but it also reveals that KSM had lied and led authorities on a wild goose chase.
    Not to mention the fact that there is no evidence to prove that the same information wouldn't have been obtained through traditional methods more accurately and more quickly.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    CIA did this to protect our country. That's the difference.
    So the ends justify the means? Not to mention the fact that are you saying it's okay to break the law so long as it's for a good cause?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    It doesn't matter what intel you get, or how you get it, it isn't credible until you confirm it. If torture didn't work, it would have faded out about 2,000 years ago. Since it's still in use, to this day, obviously, someone has achieved some good results from it.
    Actually we phased out torture 200 years ago and did not use it again until W's presidency.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    I have struggled with the Moby Dick (but the story of my sex life is another thread, or novel, movie ect) the Ahab-like question, how to kill the Great White Whale without becoming a greater sea monster?

    As far as I can see, none of us have the answer.

    Even Abe “better angels of our nature” Lincoln did things that would have made Bush blush.

    Do the ends justify the means?

    Well there are no ends without means, means make all the ends.

    Still, what we mean becomes what we end up.

    I am still struggling with this one.

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    So my answer is, more sex, less ideology.
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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Actually we phased out torture 200 years ago and did not use it again until W's presidency.
    Hows the weather in never never land?


    The American Prison and the Normalization of Torture


    I am not saying its right but you are dreaming if you really think that.

    Many people who have been to prison can testify.

    You know how many people they thought they were going to kill on 911?

    It was not a measly 3000. They thought they could get 25k in each building.


    We got off easy.

    Keep trying to negotiate with people who desire only to present your head to allah.


    See how far that gets you. We all know what happened to Danny Pearl when he went to conduct an investigation. He met KSM and his own demise.


    I cant believe the ongoing idiocy of dear leader at the moment. We are actually going to mirandize these guys and they are going to beat us about the face and head with our own lawyers and then blow us up. Frakin hippies have forgotten the face of their fathers..
    Last edited by akyron; 08-26-09 at 02:51 AM.
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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    So the ends justify the means? Not to mention the fact that are you saying it's okay to break the law so long as it's for a good cause?
    That's exactly right.


    Actually we phased out torture 200 years ago and did not use it again until W's presidency.
    That is untrue!...LOL!!! How do you think LSD came into being? Wanna take a guess who concocted that little brew and why? C'mon, take a guess. What about all those German spies that were tortured at Bletchly Park during WW2?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

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    Re: CIA 'threatened September 11 suspect's children'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's exactly right.




    That is untrue!...LOL!!! How do you think LSD came into being? Wanna take a guess who concocted that little brew and why? C'mon, take a guess. What about all those German spies that were tortured at Bletchly Park during WW2?
    What German spies totured at Bletchley Park? Do you have a source on this? Bletchley was owned by the English and was used for code breaking during the war. I'm not seeing any information about german spies being tortured there.

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