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    Re: AP IMPACT: New meth formula avoids anti-drug laws

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You are telling me that legalizing and thus legitimizing Meth will reduce the number of people on it?
    I don't know that it will actually REDUCE the number, but I see no reason to believe that it would significantly increase.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat
    You must have not known too many meth addicts, its mostly scumbags that are on it. No one pressured them into do into doing it. Most of them started doing it to be able to spend more time partying.

    Right, because seeing a typical meth addict evidently was not enough to keep other future addicts from trying it, they need to have a couple of sentences on the side of the package for it warning them about the effects.
    Couldn't hurt. Regardless, that was only one reason I cited for legalizing it.

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    When did I argue that we should lock people up simply for being an addict?
    What do you think should be done with them?

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    Anytime you legitimize the use of something then you will increase the number of people using it. Prohibition failed because even Jesus drank thus large portions of the population saw nothing wrong with it. Right now, the fact that Meth is a hard drug associated with white trash, a lot of people won't touch it. Make it legal, and thats going to change.
    Why would it change? If it was legalized, would meth cease to be a hard drug associated with white trash? Do you believe that the legality of meth is really what dissuades people from using it?

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    1. Rest assured, a typical drug dealer knows how to run a business.
    He may think so, but only because his only competitors are other typical drug dealers. If actual businesspeople started competing with him, he'd be out of business in a couple weeks.

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    2. If you think not being on Meth and working an 8 hour day is an advantage in terms of production over a meth addict that is up for days on end, then once again, you must not have been around many of them.
    Well forget that the factory is producing meth, as the actual product is irrelevant. Make a managerial decision: Would you rather hire someone addicted to meth, or someone not addicted to meth?
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    Re: AP IMPACT: New meth formula avoids anti-drug laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The problem with meth (and some other drugs) is that they don't just blow themselves up while making it, they blow themselves and sometimes innocent people with them.
    Cars sometimes blow up on innocent people... Should they be illegal?
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    Re: AP IMPACT: New meth formula avoids anti-drug laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Color View Post
    Regardless of whether it's legal or not, people will continue to produce meth in "garage labs." Allowing that would be like legalizing reckless driving, it's ridiculously unsafe and puts other people in danger. A government would not be providing well for it's citizens if it lessened prosecution of people involved in this.
    If Methamphetamine was a legal substance, garage labs would not exist.
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    Re: AP IMPACT: New meth formula avoids anti-drug laws

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Cars sometimes blow up on innocent people... Should they be illegal?
    Cars sometimes save lives, and are extremely useful in everyday life. Meth... not so much.

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    Re: AP IMPACT: New meth formula avoids anti-drug laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    But no, throwing addicts in jail gives too many people a warm and fuzzy feeling.
    Have you ever seen the old newsreels of China's solution to the opium addiction problem back in the 1930s I believe?

    It was street executions.

    They stacked coffins by the roadsides for days before hand to let the addicts know it was coming.

    When the deadline was reached, they rounded the druggies up, and fired bullets into their compromised brains at point blank range. End of problem, except for the cleanup.

    Did you notice the huge damage done to Chinese society by the executions? You didn't? I wonder why. Could it have been because there was little or none?

    Being more humane that the past Chinese regime, I merely advocate public flogging for a first offense, and lifelong slaver for a second.

    We have a whole lot of problems in this country, recreational addicts do not rate high on my list of good investments for public funds. If I had my way, dealers would be forced to consume their own products until dead.
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    Re: AP IMPACT: New meth formula avoids anti-drug laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I really don't think this is true.
    There are reasons why most people don't make their own aspirin, liquor, build their own houses or grow their own food.
    Sure, some people do these things--but for the most of us is more efficient for us to w/e it is that we do and just pay someone else to do it better than we can.
    I don't know the actual numbers, but I would be willing to bet a fair amount that the economies of scale would make it just much much cheaper per unit of production for a a Pfizer or Perrigo to make high quality, pure amphetamines than for MethJeff to make some half-assed crap in his back shed.
    How many people do you know who make their own wine or beer? Have you asked them about the price per unit of their beverage?
    I just had a vision of some guy opening a boutique on Union Square to sell artisanal meth.
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    Re: AP IMPACT: New meth formula avoids anti-drug laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
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    Oops. I guess we need more band-aid solutions like a Federal ban on buying too many two-litre bottles of Dr. Pepper huh?

    Or we could drop this pathetically impotent War on Drug Users for an actual War on Drugs. You know, one that correctly identifies drug addiction as a medical problem, not a criminal one, and provides solutions that actually help to reduce the demand for drugs.

    But no, throwing addicts in jail gives too many people a warm and fuzzy feeling.
    Why should we pay for drug addiction?
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    Re: AP IMPACT: New meth formula avoids anti-drug laws

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why should we pay for drug addiction?
    Good point. Since we already are paying out of our asses for drug addiction in interdiction, enforcement, judicial costs, incarceration, medical costs, gang violence, destruction of human lives (many when they are still children), it is high time we stopped paying for it.

    Legalize them, tax them, and if someone is unfortunate enough or stupid enough to become an addict, at least the addiction itself (and the usage of millions of casual non-addicts) can pay for their treatment.

    Currently the fear of legal repercussions and the costs of treatment are deterring addicts from seeking the treatment they need. Remove both of these in one fell swoop and the likelihood of said addict seeking treatment and overcoming the problem rises dramatically. Legality an availability of treatment becomes a factor towards reducing usage rates.

    Throw in the fact that relaxation of drug laws has shown that there no statistically significant correlation between usage rates and criminality (in fact usage of virtually every hard drug decreased after Portugal decriminalized them - Drug Decriminalization in Portugal: Lessons for Creating Fair and Successful Drug Policies | Glenn Greenwald | Cato Institute: White Paper). Throw in a hefty dose of education and continue to show how horrible some substances can be (just look at cigarettes as an example here), and it is not hard to see how over time legalization can in fact over time lead to less addicts.

    Why should we [continue to] pay for drug addiction?
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    Re: AP IMPACT: New meth formula avoids anti-drug laws

    As long as tax dollars aren't diverted. However, we need to be sure to consider the exposure of these drugs to children, who are not able to make an educated choice. I don't believe in legalizing across the board.
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    Re: AP IMPACT: New meth formula avoids anti-drug laws

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    As long as tax dollars aren't diverted. However, we need to be sure to consider the exposure of these drugs to children, who are not able to make an educated choice. I don't believe in legalizing across the board.
    I had never imagined I would be thanking one of your posts

    Currently we are doing nothing to effectively combat exposure to children. There are no controls over who drug dealers sell to. If they were legally availability, and controlled, exposure and availability to children would be much less than it is currently.

    I also agree on education (not bull**** propaganda that that can easily be dismissed as such). It is working for cigs, and it will work for other drugs as well.

    Just think.. we would have more rehabbed drug addicts, and as such we have a larger pool of people to go give personal testimony at schools about the horrors of just trying it.. that 1 time.

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