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    Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/us...gewanted=print

    The Justice Departmentís ethics office has recommended reversing the Bush administration and reopening nearly a dozen prisoner-abuse cases, potentially exposing Central Intelligence Agency employees and contractors to prosecution for brutal treatment of terrorism suspects, according to a person officially briefed on the matter.

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    With the release of the details on Monday and the formal advice that at least some cases be reopened, it now seems all but certain that the appointment of a prosecutor or other concrete steps will follow, posing significant new problems for the C.I.A. It is politically awkward, too, for Mr. Holder because President Obama has said that he would rather move forward than get bogged down in the issue at the expense of his own agenda.

    The advice from the Office of Professional Responsibility strengthens Mr. Holderís hand.

    The recommendation to review the closed cases, in effect renewing the inquiries, centers mainly on allegations of detainee abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Justice Department report is to be made public after classified information is deleted from it.

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    The cases do not center on allegations of abuse by C.I.A. officers who conducted the forceful interrogations of high-level Qaeda suspects at secret sites, although it is not out of the question that a new investigation would also examine their conduct.


    That could mean a look at the case in which C.I.A. officers threatened one prisoner with a handgun and a power drill if he did not cooperate. The detainee, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, was suspected as the master plotter behind the 2000 bombing of the Navy destroyer Cole.
    It's important for both sides to recognize what this is - this is not a criminal investigation into the waterboarding incidents, nor is it an investigation into any of the higher-ups in the Bush administration. It's an investigation focusing on the actions of individual interrogators at the CIA who allegedly went past the limits set forth in US law as to what they could do.

    This is one of those cases where it appears that the investigation is a good idea, though neither political side will be particularly happy with it.
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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    And an op-ed arguing that this is a bad idea, written by a General Counsel of the CIA under Clinton.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    I think heinous crimes should always be investigated & prosecuted as high up the chain of decision maker as can be done.
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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    The duty of the interegators was to gain information to protect American citizens, if they used hot coal up the nostril tactics that would fine by me.


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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    The duty of the interegators was to gain information to protect American citizens, if they used hot coal up the nostril tactics that would fine by me.
    Couldn't that exact same line be used about the Gestapo in 1939 Germany by just exchanging the word "German" for "American" in that sentence?

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Go ahead and investigate, clear these folks of any wrong doing and drop it.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/us...gewanted=print

    It's important for both sides to recognize what this is - this is not a criminal investigation into the waterboarding incidents, nor is it an investigation into any of the higher-ups in the Bush administration. It's an investigation focusing on the actions of individual interrogators at the CIA who allegedly went past the limits set forth in US law as to what they could do.

    This is one of those cases where it appears that the investigation is a good idea, though neither political side will be particularly happy with it.
    But it is an investigation that could lead to the prosecution of CIA employees. It will weaken our CIA and it will lead to more exposure to criticisms of our attempts to protect Americans which will only continue to weaken the resolve to bring terrorists to justice.

    potentially exposing Central Intelligence Agency employees and contractors to prosecution for brutal treatment of terrorism suspects, according to a person officially briefed on the matter

    There is nothing "good" that can be obtained from such efforts. The publicity of this issue is enough to make it another attempt to impugn the previous administration in the court of public opinion and will basically accomplish the same thing all the other committee hearings and investigations have accomplished since Democrats took control of Congress: NOTHING.


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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Gotta feel bad for the CIA folks, now they gotta fear that the next administration will decide what they were doing was "illegal" and come after them.
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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Gotta feel bad for the CIA folks, now they gotta fear that the next administration will decide what they were doing was "illegal" and come after them.
    I vas just following orders has not been a successful defense since Nuremberg.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I vas just following orders has not been a successful defense since Nuremberg.
    This isn't Nuremburg. We're talking about our people who were serving the same country that now wants to put them in jail.

    This will do more damage to CIA than the Church hearings did. Nothing good will come out of this.

    There's a huge difference between gassing 6 million people and smacking a terrorist around a little bit.

    But, hey, go for it. This will just put one more nail in PBO's political coffin.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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