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Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

But it is an investigation that could lead to the prosecution of CIA employees. It will weaken our CIA and it will lead to more exposure to criticisms of our attempts to protect Americans which will only continue to weaken the resolve to bring terrorists to justice.

potentially exposing Central Intelligence Agency employees and contractors to prosecution for brutal treatment of terrorism suspects, according to a person officially briefed on the matter

There is nothing "good" that can be obtained from such efforts. The publicity of this issue is enough to make it another attempt to impugn the previous administration in the court of public opinion and will basically accomplish the same thing all the other committee hearings and investigations have accomplished since Democrats took control of Congress: NOTHING.

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By this logic, no member of the CIA (or FBI, or DHS, etc.) should ever be prosecuted for anything, no matter how egregious. I think that's an absurd position.

Gotta feel bad for the CIA folks, now they gotta fear that the next administration will decide what they were doing was "illegal" and come after them.

No, as redress noted, these people are only going to be investigation for alleged violations of the laws as they were at the time they took their actions.

That's because you're an Authoritarian masquerading as a Conservative.

The law only applies to the "bad guys". The "good guys" can break the law for the right reasons.

You don't give a damn about the Rule of Law or the Constitution...the foundation of what was is good about this Country.

Why do you hate this Country so much?

Speaking of your fondness for law and order conservatives, what's the status on that $50 donation to the forum that you promised to make?

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There's alot more stuff that makes us different than the Nazis and the Commies. Alot!

If we lose to the bad guys, then there surely won't be anything to seperate us from them.

It ain't about looking cool, it's about winning.

Sorry....I disagree.

If we have to become our enemies to win, then we have already lost everything!
 
The duty of the interegators was to gain information to protect American citizens, if they used hot coal up the nostril tactics that would fine by me.

that is just too low tech. I would suggest the use of hot soldering irons becasue with hot coals the moisture from the nasal passages shut off the burning coals.

propane torches work pretty well also until you run out of gas.
 
So by your logic the bombings of Dresden made us Nazis, and by trying to assasinate Castro that made us Communists.

First was part of a declared war & the 2nd was a mistake in judgment by JFK.
 
Yes, that would be different. However, if they had actually killed someone in an interrogation, there's no doubt we would have heard about it, by now.

Because our government is so forthcoming when it comes to admitting wrong doing!?

GIVE IT A REST! ANOTHER "FAKE CONSERVATIVE" !

Wanting us not to question what our "leaders" tell us.!

Nearly 100 deaths in US custody....these links have sourcing and autopsy reports.

The suppressed fact: Deaths by U.S. torture - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

The Bush Administration Homicides - Page 1 - The Daily Beast
 
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Because our government is so forthcoming when it comes to admitting wrong doing!?

GIVE IT A REST! ANOTHER "FAKE CONSERVATIVE" !

Wanting us not to question what our "leaders" tell us.!

Nearly 100 deaths in US custody....these links have sourcing and autopsy reports.

The suppressed fact: Deaths by U.S. torture - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

The Bush Administration Homicides - Page 1 - The Daily Beast


You have them tried and convicted and there hasn't even been an investigation.

This is going to be political suicide for the Dems. When the **** hits the fan, there are going to agents coming out of the wood work to say that the strong arm tactics do work and if they didn't work, they're all certainly smart enough to change tactics. The Dems will respond by calling them liars and murderers and nazis and whatever else they can come up. The Dems are going to pit themselves against people who have risked their lives to protect this country. It won't have a positive outcome for them. Just wait and see.
 
The duty of the interegators was to gain information to protect American citizens, if they used hot coal up the nostril tactics that would fine by me.

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This isn't Nuremburg. We're talking about our people

My daily dose of remembering why evil exists in the first place.

-Mach
 
You have them tried and convicted and there hasn't even been an investigation.

This is going to be political suicide for the Dems. When the **** hits the fan, there are going to agents coming out of the wood work to say that the strong arm tactics do work and if they didn't work, they're all certainly smart enough to change tactics. The Dems will respond by calling them liars and murderers and nazis and whatever else they can come up. The Dems are going to pit themselves against people who have risked their lives to protect this country. It won't have a positive outcome for them. Just wait and see.

Your argument is based on faith that the Justice Dept. (not partisan in case you forgot) is wrong. How can you blame the Dems for this. Besides, what is there to blame? An investigation into possible crimes? That is deplorable? When OJ Simpson was on trial were you thinking how unjust that was because he might be innocent? Shall we only investigate cases where guilt is already certain? What are you talking about? "Political suicide for the Dems?" It doesn't matter if it works or not if its illegal. We might as well wipe Pakistan off the map because there are terrorists there and then say it worked so we did nothing wrong. No me gusto.
 
Your argument is based on faith that the Justice Dept. (not partisan in case you forgot) is wrong. How can you blame the Dems for this. Besides, what is there to blame? An investigation into possible crimes? That is deplorable? When OJ Simpson was on trial were you thinking how unjust that was because he might be innocent? Shall we only investigate cases where guilt is already certain? What are you talking about? "Political suicide for the Dems?" It doesn't matter if it works or not if its illegal. We might as well wipe Pakistan off the map because there are terrorists there and then say it worked so we did nothing wrong. No me gusto.

The DoJ is non partisan? Surely you're not that naive. This is just a way of trying to get at GWB and nothing else. That's how the Dems are going to get blamed. The first thing we're going to see coming from the Dems is a buncha finger pointing nd Nancy is going to lead the charge, since CIA made her look like a dumbass a few months ago.

Here's what we're hearing from the Dems, already.

Several Democrats cheered Holder’s announcement of a preliminary investigation – then immediately insisted he didn’t go far enough. The chairmen of the House and Senate judiciary committees kept up their calls for a “truth commission” into Bush-era practices.


Others said veteran federal prosecutor John Durham must have free rein to target any potential wrongdoing, even if it takes him to the most senior levels of the Bush administration.


“I applaud the Attorney General for this first step. But, we must go further,” Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) said. “Seeking out only the low-level actors in a conspiracy to torture detainees will bring neither justice nor restored standing to our nation.”


Read more: DOJ probe opens divides with Hill, CIA - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

Shall we only investigate cases where guilt is already certain?

Uh, yeah! We don't want to waste time investigating people where there's a limited amount of certainty. Right? I think they call it, "proof"? Hell, that would mean that anyone could be investigated, for antyhing.
 
The DoJ is non partisan? Surely you're not that naive. This is just a way of trying to get at GWB and nothing else. That's how the Dems are going to get blamed. The first thing we're going to see coming from the Dems is a buncha finger pointing nd Nancy is going to lead the charge, since CIA made her look like a dumbass a few months ago.

We don't want to waste time investigating people where there's a limited amount of certainty. Right? I think they call it, "proof"? Hell, that would mean that anyone could be investigated, for antyhing.

Okay, so we made up all these allegations just to gain some political power over the Bush administration. We made up these allegations and know full well they will be disproved and make libs look like morons. This is nothing more than trying to get at GWB.

If we investigated a blow job on the taxpayers buck I'd be IRATE if we did not investigate possible crimes by our very own CIA.
 
Okay, so we made up all these allegations just to gain some political power over the Bush administration. We made up these allegations and know full well they will be disproved and make libs look like morons. This is nothing more than trying to get at GWB.

I couldn't agree more. But, I'm all for the Libbos making themselves look like assholes. Go for it, but don't cry foul when it blows up in your faces.

That tapping sound you hear? It's the nails bring driven into the Liberals's political coffin.
 
The tapping I hear is the Bush Administration on the 3rd end of my phone conversations...
 
You have them tried and convicted and there hasn't even been an investigation.

Really, how about either reading and comprehending the source material, or if you have done then, then how about being honest.

There has been an investigation, done under the Bush administration, done by the CIA itself, that is prompting all of this.
 
Really, how about either reading and comprehending the source material, or if you have done then, then how about being honest.

There has been an investigation, done under the Bush administration, done by the CIA itself, that is prompting all of this.

How 'bout you spend more time reading the material and less time dreaming up personal attacks?
 
How 'bout you spend more time reading the material and less time dreaming up personal attacks?

I did, that is how come I knew there had been an investigation...
 
Your argument is based on faith that the Justice Dept. (not partisan in case you forgot) is wrong.

FWIW, the Justice Dept. (including US Atty's from VA) under Bush already investigated this and decided against pressing charges. Now, the new Justice Dept. under new leadership is deciding to reopen things.

Simply deferring to the Justice Dept's decision on this isn't really an option - we have to accept that there is a difference of opinion between the two sides as to whether these actions are prosecutable (as distinguished from simply "wrong").
 
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