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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I hear you & you may very well represent the majority here but.........What would make us different from the Nazi's or the Viet Cong or the North Koreans or the Communist Chinese ...... if we all thought like you claim to.

    I'll go out on a limb here & bet that,if you give it some REAL thought.....You would soften your stance.

    Just a hunch!
    There's alot more stuff that makes us different than the Nazis and the Commies. Alot!

    If we lose to the bad guys, then there surely won't be anything to seperate us from them.

    It ain't about looking cool, it's about winning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Any deaths that occured during an interrogation should certainly be investigated, but I think that that is as far as it should go. I'm totally opposed to investigating operators just because they weren't as nice to a prisoner as some folks think they should be.

    I also believe that information attesting to the effectiveness, or the lack of, wichever may be the case, should be made public to see if the operations actually yielded credible information. If it can be proved that it was all for naught, then it would lend more credibility to the DOJ's case.
    As I understand it from the article and the OPs comments, it's not investigating people for not being nice, it's prosecuting people alleged to have violated the law as it was interpreted under Bush. I don't believe in prosecuting people who followed the law as Bush interpreted it, but those who exceeded even that are fair game.

    Now, hold onto your hat for this next part. Sitting down? Good...I pretty much totally agree with your second paragraph. I don't think we can have an effective debate on EIT's without knowing, publicly, how effective they where.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    people alleged to have violated the law as it was interpreted under Bush.
    And, I think that's really what it all boils down to. It's really about Bush, only a different angle of attack.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, I think that's really what it all boils down to. It's really about Bush, only a different angle of attack.
    Actually, I don't think so. If they wanted to make it about Bush, they would go after those who did not exceed the law as Bush interpreted it as well.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually, I don't think so. If they wanted to make it about Bush, they would go after those who did not exceed the law as Bush interpreted it as well.
    Of course it's about Bush. Their first assault was directed at the top and they looked like fools. Now, they're starting at the bottom and hoping that the trail ends at Bush. They're hoping for a little CYA among the ranks and will be making deals with whomever sings the loudest. Think about it, when the Feds goes after the mafia, they don't want that dealer out on the street. They want the guy he works for, then the guy that that guy works for and so on, until they get to the head honcho. When the FBI went after the Gotti Family, they were gunning for Gotti, not his street people. This is the same tactic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    But it is an investigation that could lead to the prosecution of CIA employees. It will weaken our CIA and it will lead to more exposure to criticisms of our attempts to protect Americans which will only continue to weaken the resolve to bring terrorists to justice.

    potentially exposing Central Intelligence Agency employees and contractors to prosecution for brutal treatment of terrorism suspects, according to a person officially briefed on the matter

    There is nothing "good" that can be obtained from such efforts. The publicity of this issue is enough to make it another attempt to impugn the previous administration in the court of public opinion and will basically accomplish the same thing all the other committee hearings and investigations have accomplished since Democrats took control of Congress: NOTHING.

    By this logic, no member of the CIA (or FBI, or DHS, etc.) should ever be prosecuted for anything, no matter how egregious. I think that's an absurd position.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Gotta feel bad for the CIA folks, now they gotta fear that the next administration will decide what they were doing was "illegal" and come after them.
    No, as redress noted, these people are only going to be investigation for alleged violations of the laws as they were at the time they took their actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    That's because you're an Authoritarian masquerading as a Conservative.

    The law only applies to the "bad guys". The "good guys" can break the law for the right reasons.

    You don't give a damn about the Rule of Law or the Constitution...the foundation of what was is good about this Country.

    Why do you hate this Country so much?
    Speaking of your fondness for law and order conservatives, what's the status on that $50 donation to the forum that you promised to make?

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's alot more stuff that makes us different than the Nazis and the Commies. Alot!

    If we lose to the bad guys, then there surely won't be anything to seperate us from them.

    It ain't about looking cool, it's about winning.
    Sorry....I disagree.

    If we have to become our enemies to win, then we have already lost everything!

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Sorry....I disagree.

    If we have to become our enemies to win, then we have already lost everything!
    So by your logic the bombings of Dresden made us Nazis, and by trying to assasinate Castro that made us Communists.


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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    The duty of the interegators was to gain information to protect American citizens, if they used hot coal up the nostril tactics that would fine by me.
    that is just too low tech. I would suggest the use of hot soldering irons becasue with hot coals the moisture from the nasal passages shut off the burning coals.

    propane torches work pretty well also until you run out of gas.
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    So by your logic the bombings of Dresden made us Nazis, and by trying to assasinate Castro that made us Communists.
    First was part of a declared war & the 2nd was a mistake in judgment by JFK.

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