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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    What!? Where did that come from?

    I don't recall mentioning FDR or Lincoln.
    You said anyone not defending the rule of law was unAmerican. Ever hear of Japanese Americans interment camps?

    Lincoln establishing marshal law?
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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Well, I mean, you're gonna get a ticket.

    If you got the gift of gab, then yea, I guess its possible to get out of it.

    But I thought we were talking about national issues here, not traffic tickets.
    Oh man!!

    What's the difference?? (You either abide by the law or you suffer the consequences...whether they are national or local.)

    Your spirit argument is really just silly.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I'm not a believer in my country right or wrong.
    Americans don't torture..Americans don't use drills on prisoners....Americans don't do mock executions.......Nazi's Do!

    If we hired Blackwater mercenaries to commit war crimes in our name, then they are war criminals & should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law & as high up as the orders were issued. (does anyone think General/President Eisenhower would have done those things?....HELL NO!!
    It's wrong for the government to tell these men, "get the info...our country's safety depends on it", then turn around and prosecute them for it.

    Not is that wrong, but it does little for the DOJ's credibility when they want to prosecute something so vague, yet turn their noses up at an obvious case voter intimidation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's wrong for the government to tell these men, "get the info...our country's safety depends on it", then turn around and prosecute them for it.

    Not is that wrong, but it does little for the DOJ's credibility when they want to prosecute something so vague, yet turn their noses up at an obvious case voter intimidation.
    So "I was just following orders" is as good defense for anything...if you're defending the safety of your country?

    Really??....ANYTHING????


    No...What's really "wrong" (& illegal) is to follow illegal orders. (Many soldiers have been hung for doing that)
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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    You said anyone not defending the rule of law was unAmerican. Ever hear of Japanese Americans interment camps?

    Lincoln establishing marshal law?

    I never said that, another poster did...Devil505

    Try reading the thread again.

    You're asking the wrong poster.
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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Oh man!!

    What's the difference?? (You either abide by the law or you suffer the consequences...whether they are national or local.)

    Your spirit argument is really just silly.
    The difference is obvious.

    One is a meaningless traffic ticket, the other is a nation's body, heart and soul.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Gotta feel bad for the CIA folks, now they gotta fear that the next administration will decide what they were doing was "illegal" and come after them.
    From my reading of the article, these are going to be people who exceeded the law as it was interpreted under Bush. RightinNYC might be able to clarify if I understand that correctly. If that is the case, your objection is moot, as it is not the case in these prosecutions.

    The original investigation was done in 2004 by the CIA itself.

    Paul Gimigliano, a C.I.A. spokesman, said Sunday that the Justice Department recommendation to reopen the cases had not been sent to the intelligence agency. He added: “Decisions on whether or not to pursue action in court were made after careful consideration by career prosecutors at the Justice Department. The C.I.A. itself brought these matters — facts and allegations alike — to the department’s attention.”

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    There has never been any public explanation of why the Justice Department decided not to bring charges in nearly two dozen abuse cases known to be referred to a team of federal prosecutors in Alexandria, Va., and in some instances not even the details of the cases have been made public.
    The above quote from the article is important. It's not a witch hunt after the fact due to the changing administration and changed interpretations of laws.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So "I was just following orders" is as good defense for anything...if you're defending the safety of your country?

    Really??....ANYTHING????
    Of course not, anything. But I think it's a perfectly good defense when you're accused of doing nothing more than twisting some dude's arm, or depriving him of sleep to get some vital information out of him. I remind you again, these guys didn't gas millions of people. They only roughed a few terrorists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    I never said that, another poster did...Devil505

    Try reading the thread again.

    You're asking the wrong poster.
    Thats weird how did that happen?


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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course not, anything. But I think it's a perfectly good defense when you're accused of doing nothing more than twisting some dude's arm, or depriving him of sleep to get some vital information out of him. I remind you again, these guys didn't gas millions of people. They only roughed a few terrorists.
    Suppose the facts prove you wrong?
    Suppose an investigation proves that CIA contractors actually tortured some prisoners to death? (would that change your thinking at all?)

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    &..BTW..Since Nuremberg...."I was just following orders" is no defense at all.

    Soldiers & civilians working for our government are only required to follow LEGAL orders, not illegal ones.
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