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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Lets face reality a bit.

    Prosecuting CIA officers would tear the US apart. it would inflict a wound that the US may take a long time to recover from.

    Obama can't favour the prosecution of the CIA, even if he wants to. Which is why he is still opposed to it, regardless of what Holder wants.

    But it is also a reality someone has to be sacrificed.

    So, I've come up with a solution that should please everyone.

    Vehemently prosecute the private contracters who are caught up in the same ****. But leave the CIA out of it.

    That way, someone pays for it, and you avoid ripping apart the CIA.

    Since, lets face it, no one gives a hoot about what happens to the private contracters, errr mercenaries.

    That should make the Gods of Justice happy.
    I have a better idea:

    Let's just blame the whole thing on Pvt. Lynndie English....... again!!
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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Lets face reality a bit.

    Prosecuting CIA officers would tear the US apart. it would inflict a wound that the US may take a long time to recover from.

    Obama can't favour the prosecution of the CIA, even if he wants to. Which is why he is still opposed to it, regardless of what Holder wants.

    But it is also a reality someone has to be sacrificed.

    So, I've come up with a solution that should please everyone.

    Vehemently prosecute the private contracters who are caught up in the same ****. But leave the CIA out of it.

    That way, someone pays for it, and you avoid ripping apart the CIA.

    Since, lets face it, no one gives a hoot about what happens to the private contracters, errr mercenaries.

    That should make the Gods of Justice happy.
    If you're going to advocate ignoring law breaking then please spare is the complaining when Government keeps ignoring the law in the future.

    Everyone complains about how corrupt this Country has become but when a clear and cut case comes around where an investigation is needed they argue against it.....
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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    If you're going to advocate ignoring law breaking then please spare is the complaing when Government keeps ignoring the law in the future.

    I'm just trying to be practical.

    Its a fair compromise.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    I'm just trying to be practical.

    Its a fair compromise.

    Diminishing the Rule of Law is not a compromise. It's the very foundation of what this Country was built on. You are protecting the political elite in this country from fear of real justice should they break the law in the future.

    A btw Obama is illegally carrying out these same policies so I'm all for nailing his ass should Congress grow some balls.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    My opinion is that Obama wants to forget the past for purely political reasons, but he will not be able to. When facts start to emerge abouit the extent of torture, etc that was done in our names......Public outcry will demand investigations & then prosecutions. I don't see how Obama can stop the avalanche that is starting to roll downhill.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    The duty of any Government worker/member of the military is to uphold the Rule of Law in the pursuit of critical information from "suspected" terrorists.. You also advocate torture which is against the law.
    The duty of the goverment and its military is to defend and protect the people of the United States first and foremost. This has been proven both by Lincoln and FDR.

    You are an Authoritarian....plain and simple.
    thank you for that opinion.

    Oh you'll jump up and down when "those" other people break the law but you ignore the law and even encourage breaking the law when your "side" is doing it
    "those" people didnt simply break the law, they endagered the United States and its people. I dont care if they dont wear uniforms and employ insurgent tactics, I do care that we do everything we can to stop them.


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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Diminishing the Rule of Law is not a compromise. It's the very foundation of what this Country was built on. You are protecting the political elite in this country from fear of real justice should they break the law in the future.

    A btw Obama is illegally carrying out these same policies so I'm all for nailing his ass should Congress grow some balls.
    Well, I am not a "rule of the law," guy like you are.

    It would be utterly ridiculous to employ such an unrealistic goal.

    I think the spirit of the law should reign supreme, not the rule of it.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Nazi's used torture & killed many people with no proof that they were guilty of anything.
    So did many goverments including our own previously, but how specifically are the these actions like the Nazis. Give me a some detail instead of one line brush offs.


    We now have credible reports that CIA contractors, acting for the United States government....MAY HAVE tortured prisoners, threatened them with drills, dogs & mock executions & we are not supposed to investigate/prosecute those war crimes IF THEY ARE PROVEN?
    Thats not what I asked.

    Should we also not investigate/prosecute the higher ups who gave these illegal orders?
    depends, but it has nothing to do with what I asked.


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    Re: Justice Dept. Report Advises Pursuing C.I.A. Abuse Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    The duty of the goverment and its military is to defend and protect the people of the United States first and foremost. This has been proven both by Lincoln and FDR.



    thank you for that opinion.



    "those" people didnt simply break the law, they endagered the United States and its people. I dont care if they dont wear uniforms and employ insurgent tactics, I do care that we do everything we can to stop them.

    I answered your question. Could you please answer mine:

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You can't be serious???

    Nazi's used torture & killed many people with no proof that they were guilty of anything.

    We now have credible reports that CIA contractors, acting for the United States government....MAY HAVE tortured prisoners, threatened them with drills, dogs & mock executions & we are not supposed to investigate/prosecute those war crimes IF THEY ARE PROVEN?

    Should we also not investigate/prosecute the higher ups who gave these illegal orders?

    (members of our military/intelligence orgs are required to disobey illegal orders....period.

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