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Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

Not really, no. Our laws are pretty similar to England's on hunting. Restricted areas, restricted spies, restricted weaponary. I've never actually met anyone that hunts though, just farmers that shoot as pest control.

Really?

Now that is interesting and i learn something new everyday :p

Off topic but has anyone ever seen 'Kill it, cook it, eat it' BBC show?
 
Consumerism is another personal thing that you are asking that the economy should intervene with. If your a religious person, your not going to be consumerist. If your atheist or agnostic, chances are you will be because you don't believe in God or all things spiritual so will believe that all material things are all there is and death is the end to all means. I believe an individual can be consumerist, not an economy. The economy is simply there to provide a service and exploit, what you do with it and how you interact with it is your choice. The economy doesn't dictate our lives or tell us how we should live. This whole catholic jumble sounds fascist to me. I'll read it anyway.
Schumacher was a Catholic but he is also very important in ther Green movement. Believe me when I say opposition to Consumerism is far from a rightwing idea, in fact it is more prevalent on the left.

Your argument above neglects the fact that any economy is situated in a society and is framed by it, it also neglects the massive state intervention that is and has always been inherent in what we call capitalism today.

Either of these makes the idea that it is all about personal choice rather silly.
 
Not really, no. Our laws are pretty similar to England's on hunting. Restricted areas, restricted species, restricted weaponary. I've never actually met anyone that hunts though, just farmers that shoot as pest control.

I've hunted rabbits when I was younger and done some fishing. Restrictions within reason are fine, it is only when they get silly and are being purposefully restrictive to make some anti-hunting point that I dislike. In the same way I support some restrictions on cigarettes but not a lot of the sillier stuff many gov'ts go in for these days.
 
Your argument above neglects the fact that any economy is situated in a society and is framed by it, it also neglects the massive state intervention that is and has always been inherent in what we call capitalism today.

The economy is a system created, driven, and innovated by the people. It should be there purely for the purpose of exploiting and using. It does not dictate to us how we should live. If you dont believe in the basic principles of Capitalism then you dont believe in the basic principles of the West, and the free world which the UK happens to be part of. Consumerism is a personal choice. And what massive state intervention?
 
Really?

Now that is interesting and i learn something new everyday :p

Off topic but has anyone ever seen 'Kill it, cook it, eat it' BBC show?

Lol did you think we all ran about hunting haggis with our guns stuck in the waistbands of our kilts? That's just what we tell the Americans. :mrgreen:

And yep, I have. Very original idea for a cooking show.
 
Lol did you think we all ran about hunting haggis with our guns stuck in the waistbands of our kilts? That's just what we tell the Americans. :mrgreen:

And yep, I have. Very original idea for a cooking show.

And i fell for it :(

I love it.
I especially enjoy the parts where vegans and vegetarians break down over the meat and start sobbing whilst others are quite chuffed with themselves
 
I've hunted rabbits when I was younger and done some fishing. Restrictions within reason are fine, it is only when they get silly and are being purposefully restrictive to make some anti-hunting point that I dislike. In the same way I support some restrictions on cigarettes but not a lot of the sillier stuff many gov'ts go in for these days.

It can quite hard to tell what's actually restricted, to be honest, but most of what is is just common sense. You can't hunt a protected species, you can't hunt animals that are owned by someone else, you can't go after deer with a sub-machine gun.
 
And i fell for it :(

I love it.
I especially enjoy the parts where vegans and vegetarians break down over the meat and start sobbing whilst others are quite chuffed with themselves

Lol, I'm vegetarian, and it that's not my way. When I lived on my auntie's farm in Cupar, she used to strip the chickens down in front of the house, and it didn't really bother me. Live and let live, I say.
 
It can quite hard to tell what's actually restricted, to be honest, but most of what is is just common sense. You can't hunt a protected species, you can't hunt animals that are owned by someone else, you can't go after deer with a sub-machine gun.

Is it just me who had a image of that? lol
 
The economy is a system created, driven, and innovated by the people. It should be there purely for the purpose of exploiting and using. It does not dictate to us how we should live. Consumerism is a personal choice.
An economy is part of a society. It is intersects with any society and reflects it. By influencing that framework, we influence it. I'm quite decentralist and libertarian in how I'd intervene in an economy, I advocate much less gov't intervention than now.

And what massive state intervention?
That inherent from the very beginning in capitalism. Ever heard of primitive accumulation or enclosures?

Did you know that in the US heavy trucks cause almost 100% of road-bed damage but they pay for less than 50% of road up-keep. This encourages business consolidation, larger plants and supply chains as it subsidises distrubution. The intervention goes on and on. In 1976 for instance congress' own report found that direct subsidies to industry totaled more than all corporate profits. There is little reason to believe much has changed.
 
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Lol, I'm vegetarian, and it that's not my way. When I lived on my auntie's farm in Cupar, she used to strip the chickens down in front of the house, and it didn't really bother me. Live and let live, I say.

I don't understand vegetarians and i think vegans are just weird tbh.

Why would you deny yourself meat? The lovely, juicy ... okay lets get off the topic of food. I am getting hungry :lol:

Meh, i've killed animals before in Africa. Nothing touchy about it there, you are expected to do it.
 
It's something I can imagine my family doing if we ever went hunting. We're from the West Coast. :cool:

Erm .. Anima ... you know you love me right? *cough* invite ;)
 
I don't understand vegetarians and i think vegans are just weird tbh.

Why would you deny yourself meat? The lovely, juicy ... okay lets get off the topic of food. I am getting hungry :lol:

Meh, i've killed animals before in Africa. Nothing touchy about it there, you are expected to do it.

I don't think it's wrong to eat meat per se, but the conditions that the average farm animal in Britain are kept in are horrible, and I don't really want to be part of a system like that, so I don't eat meat. The only thing I really miss about being a meat eater is going fishing. I never ate the fish, but I don't feel entitled to fish now, as a vegetarian. That and stovies and Lorne sausage and ****-a-leekie soup and mince with neeps...

Damn you Laila! :2razz:
 
I don't think it's wrong to eat meat per se, but the conditions that the average farm animal in Britain are kept in are horrible, and I don't really want to be part of a system like that, so I don't eat meat. The only thing I really miss about being a meat eater is going fishing. I never ate the fish, but I don't feel entitled to fish now, as a vegetarian. That and stovies and Lorne sausage and ****-a-leekie soup and mince with neeps...

Damn you Laila! :2razz:
Personally I'm inclined to agree with you.

Would you consider eating free range and organic meat and meat products?
 
I don't think it's wrong to eat meat per se, but the conditions that the average farm animal in Britain are kept in are horrible, and I don't really want to be part of a system like that, so I don't eat meat. The only thing I really miss about being a meat eater is going fishing. I never ate the fish, but I don't feel entitled to fish now, as a vegetarian. That and stovies and Lorne sausage and ****-a-leekie soup and mince with neeps...

Damn you Laila! :2razz:

Lol
I agree with you.

Meat in Africa is so fresh and the animals are treated perfectly.
Animals in my country are peoples livelihoods so abuse would not be tolerated.

I remember days where a goat would be killed in the morning and be on my plate by dinner with fresh salad and sweetcorn straight off the field accompanied by just-from-the sea fishes covered in hot spices and salt and freshly squeezed fruit like mango just picked from the backgarden .... and sugar canes. Not just the sugar but the actual cane in which you chew ... omg
 
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Personally I'm inclined to agree with you.

Would you consider eating free range and organic meat and meat products?

I quite probably would have considered eating those products, if I'd had access to them before I became vegetarian. Back in 2000, there wasn't a great deal of free-range or organic meat avaliable in the shops in my area though, so it wasn't really something I considered. Now I think I'm just too set in my ways to go back.
 
Lol
I agree with you.

Meat in Africa is so fresh and the animals are treated perfectly.
Animals in my country are peoples livelihoods so abuse would not be tolerated.

I remember days where a goat would be killed in the morning and be on my plate by dinner with fresh salad and sweetcorn straight off the field accompanied by just-from-the sea fishes covered in hot spices and salt and freshly squeezed fruit like mango just picked from the backgarden .... and sugar canes. Not just the sugar but the actual cane in which you chew ... omg

Sounds absolutely delicious, Laila. An animal treated well is quite often a tastier animal.
 
You people haven't had trouble with buying food, or hunger before. Have you?

Hunting for food = fine, infact i'd support everyone killing their own animals and cooking it. We as a society are so away from the whole process.
Killing animals to protect your land = fine.
Hunting for pure fun = unacceptable.
 
You people haven't had trouble with buying food, or hunger before. Have you?

Yes actually, why? You seem to be working on the assumption that only those with no knoledge of how scarce food can be in some situations, and how lucky those of us are who can afford to have opinions on the food we eat. Wrong.
 
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I work out on a soup kitchen, and one thing I find in common with all the people there is that they are not overly concerned with whether their food came from a chicken that could turn around in its cage or not.

That's my point, my only point.
 
Hunting for food = fine, infact i'd support everyone killing their own animals and cooking it. We as a society are so away from the whole process.
Killing animals to protect your land = fine.
Hunting for pure fun = unacceptable.

My thoughts exactly.
 
An economy is part of a society. It is intersects with any society and reflects it. By influencing that framework, we influence it. I'm quite decentralist and libertarian in how I'd intervene in an economy, I advocate much less gov't intervention than now.

That inherent from the very beginning in capitalism. Ever heard of primitive accumulation or enclosures?

Did you know that in the US heavy trucks cause almost 100% of road-bed damage but they pay for less than 50% of road up-keep. This encourages business consolidation, larger plants and supply chains as it subsidises distrubution. The intervention goes on and on. In 1976 for instance congress' own report found that direct subsidies to industry totaled more than all corporate profits. There is little reason to believe much has changed.

You call for a decentralized government yet your ideology simply gives more power to them by allowing them to control us through the economy. Im just saying, its wrong.

EDIT: And in the name of religion too. I couldn't think of anything worse.
 
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