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Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

So a US type federal system?
So boroughs get power or areas?
SE or Bromley for example.

There we go, thats one place we know about; Bromley :lol:
And well ask him, and no, not a federated system. That wouldnt work on a country as small as the UK.

And independent as in removed entirely from EU?

Basically, but i dont know about his thoughts on NATO.
 
And well ask him, and no, not a federated system. That wouldnt work on a country as small as the UK.
Actually I personally think it would. It wouldn't be exactly like the US but I'd have most power locally, then at the county level and then regional level with little left at the national and UK level but things like defence and foreign affairs.


Basically, but i dont know about his thoughts on NATO.
I'm not really sure, I'm quite non-interventionist but I don't mind some defensive treaties and such.
 
Basically, but i dont know about his thoughts on NATO.

Lol

That is suicide. We can't remove entirely form EU or NATO.
 
I believe in giving power to the historic regions of England but most importantly I believe in social conservatism, decentralised gov't and society and a decentalised, distirbutist economy.

That goes with saying. Like most Brits I'm eurosceptic.

Well yea, very few people want further integration but i don't think people would want a withdrawal

So power is favoured against the national govt. in favour of councils?
Does anyone know their councillor in UK?
I couldn't tell you if my life depended on it.
 
Of course we can remove ourselves from the EU. We don't benefit much from it anyway. Why would you think we couldn't?

Because we are a tiny little country, barely exporting much. We are not in the same position as Germany which is just damn near perfect.
We need alliances, we need ties.
 
Because you were getting perilously close to an argument that could have been classed as primitivist.

I'm quite the ecologist but I do believe man will always have to make quite a lot of an impact on the environment for his needs. Also this argument of yours is inconsistent with the championship of the city. Hell it is inconsistent with such a megatroplis as what is now London.

Woah, two different things here. As you stated, sometimes man NEEDS to make its impact on the environment. That need is London. Without London the UK will be slacking far behind the rest of its European economies. Fox hunting isn't something thats important and worth impacting the enviournment over.



I hunt deer and rabbits as well(well I don't personally hunt foxes anyway.). We recognise different sets of behaviour between humans and humans and animals, or most of us do.

Theres a line with me on this issue. Hunting foxes that are in large numbers on the countryside with no uneccessary violance, just a simply "bang", is okay. Excessive hunting and killing of Fox's which is what this sport had become is stepping over that line. Im sure we can wait a few years for there numbers to make a standing again?


They seem to be thriving to me.

Your not in the UK nor are you in the countryside. What end are you looking at?



It place within the community as a past-time and ritual.

Is that a justification to the endless slaughtering of a creature who's numbers where dropping dramatically due to the sport?

I'm certainly not making it up. I understand the history of fox-hunting unlike most of those on the anti-side. As Quintin Hogg said 60 years ago, fox-hunting was a form of religion to many conservatives, it certainly had a very important ritual and communal place.

I dont care, screw conservatives and there need to kill Fox's for a bit of adrenaline. If they have a past time ritual or "religion1 that involves savagery and damage to the local environment they can convert to Humanislam
 
Because we are a tiny little country, barely exporting much. We are not in the same position as Germany which is just damn near perfect.
We need alliances, we need ties.

The EU isn't an alliance. Switzerland has just as much ties as us. And correct me if im wrong, the biggest economy and world exporter [the US of A] is not part of the union, or any common market union, am i correct?
 
Because we are a tiny little country, barely exporting much.
I disagree with that, but even so what is your point?

I believe a lot more self-sufficiency would benefit us, and most people, a lot.
We are not in the same position as Germany which is just damn near perfect.
We need alliances, we need ties.
Perhaps but this is no argument for abandoning our sovereignty to the EU. Personally I'd rather be the 51st state of the USA than that.
 
I disagree with that, but even so what is your point?

I believe a lot more self-sufficiency would benefit us, and most people, a lot.

Perhaps but this is no argument for abandoning our sovereignty to the EU. Personally I'd rather be the 51st state of the USA than that.

Eh?
I don't even think we could be the 51st state of USA anyway Wessex.
Canada could be tho ...

It means we do not have the economic will power to stand against powers like USA, China, India and added to that Europe. We threw our lot in with Europe.
 
Actually I personally think it would. It wouldn't be exactly like the US but I'd have most power locally, then at the county level and then regional level with little left at the national and UK level but things like defence and foreign affairs.

I prefer a more unitary state rather than one with divides. I think its the regional governments job to be the voice of the people and have the power and capacity to substantially change the social aspects of that region, everything else should be left with the government, though. Im quit paranoid that regionalism could eventually lead to seperatism.
 
Im quit paranoid that regionalism could eventually lead to seperatism.

Ofc it will lead to that.
Scotland will be independent eventually if SNP continue
 
Ofc it will lead to that.
Scotland will be independent eventually if SNP continue

Regionalism as in for example, Cornwall, Dorset, not entire land masses or simply Burroughs. For example, North London and South London regionalism, i guess.
 
Regionalism as in for example, Cornwall, Dorset, not entire land masses or simply Burroughs. For example, North London and South London regionalism, i guess.

Nah. That would never happen.

But the United Kingdom will eventually break up.
 
Woah, two different things here. As you stated, sometimes man NEEDS to make its impact on the environment. That need is London.
I disagree very much.
Without London the UK will be slacking far behind the rest of its European economies.
We'd have less iphones and plasma screen tv? I have very different idea of a good economy to you.

Fox hunting isn't something thats important and worth impacting the enviournment over.
Well firstly this is irrelevant for your argument, secondly it is important enough for country people and its impact is small. Thirdly the heavy handed attitude you urbanites are taking seems to say you think it is important.




Theres a line with me on this issue. Hunting foxes that are in large numbers on the countryside with no uneccessary violance, just a simply "bang", is okay. Excessive hunting and killing of Fox's which is what this sport had become is stepping over that line. Im sure we can wait a few years for there numbers to make a standing again?
I don't think they are that low.

Also I'm not entirely sure they are natives here.



Your not in the UK nor are you in the countryside. What end are you looking at?
My past experience and all I've heard.




Is that a justification to the endless slaughtering of a creature who's numbers where dropping dramatically due to the sport?
Proof? The sport is banned.

I dont care, screw conservatives and there need to kill Fox's for a bit of adrenaline. If they have a past time ritual or "religion1 that involves savagery and damage to the local environment they can convert to Humanislam
Well you admit the importance and place now but simply object to it, while it is not actually your business, but simply put the little bit of suffering above that. This is where we disagree. But as I have said I support violence reduction, I simply object to the heavy handed intervention of Westminister gov'ts in such an ancient practice on the support of middle-class urbanites. If more compromise and less authoritarianism and over-the-top rhetoric was used me and others would be far more accommodating.
 
Nah. That would never happen.

But the United Kingdom will eventually break up.

Laila, you know we have local MP's? Yeah, that is regionalism. Basically that, just they have a bit more power, and the central government (AKA Labour Party) has a little less power. We already have regionalism, so it can happen. Wessexman is simply advocating, that, we actually establish true regionalist governments, not one in name with very little power.
 
Who knows what will happen. The point is to try and make it.

Lets hope the EU does as well.

Lisbon is passing this year. No way will it break up.
It will merely get stronger.
 
Laila, you know we have local MP's? Yeah, that is regionalism. Basically that, just they have a bit more power, and the central government (AKA Labour Party) has a little less power. We already have regionalism, so it can happen. Wessexman is simply advocating, that, we actually establish true regionalist governments, not one in name with very little power.

Wessexman have i understood you correctly?
 
What the hell is a distributive economy?
Well narrow distributism is based on Catholic social teaching and the writings of Anglicans and Catholics like G.K Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc(Tolkien was a dsitributist as well.). Here is an intro.

The ChesterBelloc Mandate: What is Distributism?

More broadly it encompasses many movements and thinkers from Thomas Jefferson to Peter Kropotkin and is about a decentralised economy, more dispersed or distributed property particularly productive propety, more rewarding work, an economy more based around human needs particularly deeper spiritual needs rather than frivolous consumerism and a better urban-rural balance.
 
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Laila, you know we have local MP's? Yeah, that is regionalism. Basically that, just they have a bit more power, and the central government (AKA Labour Party) has a little less power. We already have regionalism, so it can happen. Wessexman is simply advocating, that, we actually establish true regionalist governments, not one in name with very little power.

We have MP's for boroughs and councillors for councils. Yes.

Hmm, i'm neutral on transferring power.
I do want reform but that seems a little radical. Would people want it?
 
Lisbon is passing this year. No way will it break up.
It will merely get stronger.

Perhaps you are right although the passing of Lisbon is a travesty as the people have not had a say. Treason is what it would have once been called, imho. But this does not mean it is right or what is best. The EU remains a despotism whatever scum like New Labour do.
 
We have MP's for boroughs and councillors for councils. Yes.

Hmm, i'm neutral on transferring power.
I do want reform but that seems a little radical. Would people want it?

Depends. If you want a small government that can attend to your regional needs better, yes. If you have intelligence and realize a unitary state and a centralized government with some regionalism is better because regionalism is just ASKING for separatism, then no. Its either a personal issue or a national issue. I prefer to put the UK before my own convenience.
 
We have MP's for boroughs and councillors for councils. Yes.

Hmm, i'm neutral on transferring power.
I do want reform but that seems a little radical. Would people want it?
Currently what the people want is irrelevant or that is how the EU and the likes of New Labour conduct business --- Lisbon being a case in point. But I would only support my measures with popular support and hence work to achieve that.
 
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