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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    And I don't think it is your business.
    Welcome to the world where politics has no limit on its reach.


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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    'Shoot foxes'? I beg your pardon?
    Do you know how their 'culling' happens?
    They get dressed up, drink wine. Then let loose a pack of dogs to chase teh fox until it is exhausted then kill it and/or tear it apart.
    Are you asking for genuine information? Because it sure as hell seems like you have little knowledge of fox hunting.

    No doubt they eat caviar and beat their servants before hand as well.....

    And at least i have the good grace to be honest about it. Wessex seems in denial when he says there is no class issue undertones for both sides.
    You seem confused on what a class issue is. Even if we accept it is more practiced by the rich than the rest of countryfolk it does not make it a class issue. A class issue is when you start attacking people on class lines for it. Only you have done that.

    And actually as I have highlighted the opposition tends to come from middle class urbanites anyway. These people are hardly part of the lumpen proletariat.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh but it is.
    Welcome to the real world where politics has no limit on its reach.
    A sentiment worthy of Rousseau himself. Conservatives think rather differently. Liberty requires limits to gov't power and a necessary amount of subsidiarity and also limits to the very reach of politics in its more overt forms.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Are you asking for genuine information? Because it sure as hell seems like you have little knowledge of fox hunting.
    Actually LBC (radio station) Jeni did a whole 2 hours on this topic with someone from countryside alliance there answering questions.


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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Including man.....
    Yes, good thing mans survival isn't dependant among Fox hunting.


    I do.
    You care because you wish to see the continuation of an inhumane practice. As much as you'd like to, you cant ignore animal rights.

    No it isn't.
    Yes it is.


    No it isn't.
    The fox is part of the countrysides ecosystem. Even a small decline in numbers can put everything out of balance.

    No offense but I don't think you know much about fox hunting or its place in the countryside.
    You've gathered that from me being against it...how?


    So?
    I just quoted someone saying Laila is making it into a class issue though she isn't exactly wrong for saying your posh folk from the countryside tend to engage in the sport more.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Conservatives think rather differently.
    ..... Indeed

    Nothing new you are telling me here Wessex, common knowledge


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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Actually LBC (radio station) Jeni did a whole 2 hours on this topic with someone from countryside alliance there answering questions.
    Were they drunk as well? Did they beat their servants during the interview or merely come from such a past time.

    This kind of stuff isn't worthy of even the most vulgar Soviet propaganda.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Were they drunk as well? Did they beat their servants during the interview or merely come from such a past time.

    This kind of stuff isn't worthy of even the most vulgar Soviet propaganda.
    Who beat their servant?
    Dude. No one mentioned servants here lol

    And no they were ... nice, really nice.
    But ofc i would be too if i was trying to influence the thinking of hundreds of thousands of londoners who listen to LBC.


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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Yes and ramblers like to roam all over other people's property, that is a different discussion. I find it ironic a supporter of Wedgewood Benn is taking up a pro-private property argument.
    Why, no public foot path ran through my brothers land. I support the laws of the land.

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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Yes, good thing mans survival isn't dependant among Fox hunting.
    Indeed.



    You care because you wish to see the continuation of an inhumane practice. As much as you'd like to, you cant ignore animal rights.
    Foxes aren't humans, so the term inhumane is somewhat out of place. The anthropomorphizing of animals is a problem with liberal urbanites and their lack of understanding of such topics. Hence the rise of vegetarianism, a pretty much urban phenomenon.


    Yes it is.
    I thought it was banned?



    The fox is part of the countrysides ecosystem. Even a small decline in numbers can put everything out of balance
    And yet the countryside has survived for centuries. If you want to have these kinds of discussions then fox hunting is the least of our worries.




    You've gathered that from me being against it...how?
    Because of the out of place class war rhetoric being used.

    It is part of country tradition. It has long been an important part of life in many rural communities and though I support lessening the violence done to foxes I still support the practice because of its important place and because of the inaccurate and authoritarian attacks being made against it. If the critics were more informed and more reasonable then no doubt a compromise would be a lot easier but this crude propaganda and class war rhetoric simply leads many of us to dig our heals in.

    I just quoted someone saying Laila is making it into a class issue though she isn't exactly wrong for saying your posh folk from the countryside tend to engage in the sport more.
    So? That doesn't make it a class issue. A class issue only becomes one when an attack is made based on class or at least a class is being disadvantaged.
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