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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    However, and no offence, but I do not consider it your business as I believe you reside in London.

    And you didn't answer my question. Do you eat halal? Some would consider that a needlessly violent or painful practice that is a extremely traditional.
    I already stated no. I do not eat it in London.

    It is my business tyvm. Animal welfare is always a issue for the Govt. and RSPCA.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    This is a very good decision. Fox hunting is an ancient British country pursuit .
    So when the foxes run out then what?
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    So when the foxes run out then what?
    They'll erm ... chase .... *awaits a answer to fill the gap*


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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Come on. Tradition before the environment? For Christ sakes Wessexman, there is a boundary to preserving and engaging our culture.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Fox hunting is an ancient British country pursuit .
    Well yeah, but so is that whole serf and lord thing but we don't do that any more either.

    I think I may have a rather unique perspective to share about this one. I came from a socialist background in a city in 70's Britain till age 14, then onto a very country lifestyle from then onwards. So anyway, I can tell you that the foxhunt was a bloody nightmare for those who weren't part of it. They once totally destroyed our veggie garden by simply riding through it after a fox. I've got lots of little anecdotes like that, if you'd like to hear them. Conversely, I don't know if that makes it a class issue or not but someone apparently gave them the idea that it was ok to just ride their horses across someones work.
    FWIW, they didn't catch it AND they lost their pack of hounds when the fox swam across one of the UK's largest rivers.

    It seems to me that the greatest "thrill" of foxhunting is the chase. It can't be the pest control and I say that knowing that any animals we lost to foxes were just the rhythm of life in the country. All that "damage" and stuff they speak of was really minimal when you're talking about a chicken farm or whatever. After one "attack", the best way to minimise damage is beef up the security. I don't see why they can't get the thrill without chasing some creature hell for leather for very little in the way of real pest control.

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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    So when the foxes run out then what?
    They'd probably have to regulate it like hunting in the US. Honestly, if some people want to go out and shoot foxes in reasonable numbers that don't threaten their population, why is this the government's business?

    BTW Laila, the one making this a "class issue" is you.

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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Come on. Tradition before the environment? For Christ sakes Wessexman, there is a boundary to preserving and engaging our culture.
    This has little to do with the environment and anyway Foxes are often a nuisance and need to be culled.

    Fox-hunting is very much an important part of rural British culture and tradition. As I mentioned Quintin Hogg once called it a religion among conservatives. The boundary sure as hell isn't at giving in to middle-class, liberal urbanites over such an ancient tradition in many communities.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ennyone View Post
    Well yeah, but so is that whole serf and lord thing but we don't do that any more either.

    I think I may have a rather unique perspective to share about this one. I came from a socialist background in a city in 70's Britain till age 14, then onto a very country lifestyle from then onwards. So anyway, I can tell you that the foxhunt was a bloody nightmare for those who weren't part of it. They once totally destroyed our veggie garden by simply riding through it after a fox. I've got lots of little anecdotes like that, if you'd like to hear them. Conversely, I don't know if that makes it a class issue or not but someone apparently gave them the idea that it was ok to just ride their horses across someones work.
    FWIW, they didn't catch it AND they lost their pack of hounds when the fox swam across one of the UK's largest rivers.

    It seems to me that the greatest "thrill" of foxhunting is the chase. It can't be the pest control and I say that knowing that any animals we lost to foxes were just the rhythm of life in the country. All that "damage" and stuff they speak of was really minimal when you're talking about a chicken farm or whatever. After one "attack", the best way to minimise damage is beef up the security. I don't see why they can't get the thrill without chasing some creature hell for leather for very little in the way of real pest control.
    In some ways I agree but I like most conservatrive countryfolk are not about to cowed by some wet urbanites. That sort of thing simply makes people stubborn and dig in. I'd like to see as little harm come to the fox as possible without destroying the tradition and without it being forced upon us by people with little concern in the matter.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I already stated no. I do not eat it in London.
    You might be willing to give up on your culture, I certainly am not.

    It is my business tyvm. Animal welfare is always a issue for the Govt. and RSPCA.
    Rubbish, a bit of violence to foxes is not the business of people who have little contact with the entire area.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    BTW Laila, the one making this a "class issue" is you.
    'Shoot foxes'? I beg your pardon?
    Do you know how their 'culling' happens?
    They get dressed up, drink wine. Then let loose a pack of dogs to chase teh fox until it is exhausted then kill it and/or tear it apart.

    They do not do it for culling. They do it for sport. Difference.
    It is one thing killing to protect farm animals, go ahead. Bullet to the head.
    There are other methods of killing a animal.

    And at least i have the good grace to be honest about it. Wessex seems in denial when he says there is no class issue undertones for both sides.
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