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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Foxes are pretty animals, but they are often a problem. Attacking domestic animals, including both fowl and pets. Not to mention, getting rabies and attacking humans.

    My son was attacked by a rabid fox when he was eight or nine. Fortunately he was quick and wasn't bitten, and I was equally quick and shot Mr. Fox dead.

    I've had a certain lack of sympathy for foxes since then.
    I understand that Goshin.

    But do you not think a bullet and a gun can do as well a job as getting on horses and being drunk and tracking it through teh woods until the poor thing is exhausted and then siccing the dogs on it.


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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Absolute rubbish.
    It is because you are blind to it because you are pro fox hunting.
    I can admit it is a class issue for both sides, can you?
    How is it a class-issue for the pro-side? Please explain this? If anything they have been stressing the more ecumenical side of fox-hunting.

    So then all the sports listed above should also be legal right? Great.
    Cause i have always wanted to go to a dog fight and place bets
    Nope, those are a lot more violent and not traditional practices.

    I remember reading an essay by Quintin Hogg(or was it Kenneth Pickthorn?) on Fox-hunting and Conservatism. It was written just after the war, it compares conservatism to other ideologies and talks about how the conservative unlike the rest doesn't think politics is everything, he prefers the ancient religion of fox-hunting. A sad day when he doesn't even have that left.

    Torturing a animal for fun is disgusting. It is barbaric and it should be illegal.
    You can kill a fox without getting all dressed, getting drunk and setting the dogs loose to tear it apart.
    It is not torture, don't be melodramatic. It is a little more violence than necessary but changing that is not worth the destruction to the custom.

    I do not care if it has been around for hundreds of years. The world changes. Adapt to it and accept it.
    No, I think not.

    Why should a minority of countryside people hold the say over the majority of urbanites?
    Because it only effects us. Why should you get to decide what school your children go to? Or when you get married. It is an overbearing imposition by the legislature fueled by people with small concern in the matter and smaller common sense.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post

    But do you not think a bullet and a gun can do as well a job as getting on horses and being drunk and tracking it through teh woods until the poor thing is exhausted and then siccing the dogs on it.
    I think you've lost quite a bit of credibility here(well a lot went with the Toff remarks already.).
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Because it only effects us. Why should you get to decide what school your children go to? Or when you get married. It is an overbearing imposition by the legislature fueled by people with small concern in the matter and smaller common sense.
    Oh have you really?
    Economic side for who exactly?
    The landowners i am sure.

    It has been changed to prevent that violence.
    I accepted fox hunting as dogs were forbidden to join in and the people hunting must kill the foxes themselves.
    Now the damn tories wish to repeal what Labour did and bring it back to unnecessary violence.

    So then the country shouldn't get no say over London and other cities right? Because it only affects us ....


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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I think you've lost quite a bit of credibility here(well a lot went with the Toff remarks already.).
    The fox hunting debate brings out the emotion in me.
    I hate the idea of blood sports at all.


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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh have you really?
    Economic side for who exactly?
    The landowners i am sure.
    This is not showing how we have made it a class issue. Even if you are correct and it is mostly done by toffs that doesn't make it a class issue necessarily. To make it a class issue is to base your arguments on class lines, like you are doing.

    It has been changed to prevent that violence.
    I accepted fox hunting as dogs were forbidden to join in and the people hunting must kill the foxes themselves.
    Now the damn tories wish to repeal what Labour did and bring it back to unnecessary violence.
    And about time too. A little violence to a menace is worth the restoration of the custom in my book.

    So then the country shouldn't get no say over London and other cities right? Because it only affects us ....
    I'm a decentralist, I agree with that when it is appropriate.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The fox hunting debate brings out the emotion in me.
    I hate the idea of blood sports at all.
    I see little wrong with them as long as they are within reason and a traditional practice; part of the ritual of a region or country. Humans hunt animals, I see no need to change that for a few middle-class urbanites. Fox-hunting is an extremely traditional practice and has a very important place in many country communities, I place that far above the little bit of violence to a few foxes.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I place that far above the little bit of violence to a few foxes.
    I do not which is why we differ on this issue Wessex and there is little chance of us changing each others mind.


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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Absolute rubbish.
    It is because you are blind to it because you are pro fox hunting.
    I can admit it is a class issue for both sides, can you?

    So then all the sports listed above should also be legal right? Great.
    Cause i have always wanted to go to a dog fight and place bets

    Torturing a animal for fun is disgusting. It is barbaric and it should be illegal.
    You can kill a fox without getting all dressed, getting drunk and setting the dogs loose to tear it apart.

    I do not care if it has been around for hundreds of years. The world changes. Adapt to it and accept it.

    Why should a minority of countryside people hold the say over the majority of urbanites?
    I'm not "pro-fox hunting," I'm just against laws that have no hope of working. It's as if the government decided to outlaw stepping on the cracks in concrete. It's silly, won't be followed, will merely inconvenience a few - while causing people to unnecessarily resent their government. It's just a perfect example of bad logic, poor execution.

    A class-issue? I need too pick a side? Sorry, this isn't dodgeball - it's called Life.

    Dog-fighting, cock fighting, all another debate for another time. If this law sought to repeal them, then sure - why not discuss them? As it is, I think I'll avoid this useless side track by definition.

    Disgusting should not, can not, be a definition of law. "Eww, homeless people are just disgusting, don't you think?"

    You may not care, but apparently - quite a few people do.

    "Hold sway?" You're doing it again, throwing out those eccentric bombshells. We aren't talking about feudal manors here, we're talking about a law that will affect only rural people - why, even, urbanites get a say is just counterintuitive.

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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I do not which is why we differ on this issue Wessex and there is little chance of us changing each others mind.
    However, and no offence, but I do not consider it your business as I believe you reside in London.

    And you didn't answer my question. Do you eat halal? Some would consider that a needlessly violent or painful practice that is a extremely traditional.
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