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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    I think the mistake you're making here is assuming that criticism of fox hunts is critism of hunting in general, and that the points we're making about UK fox-hunts are also criticisms of US hunting. You're taking the arguments out of context, basically.

    Hunting in the US is pretty disimliar to the methods of fox-hunting parties in the UK, which is what we're talking about in this thread. What we're saying here about class issues and cruelty isn't necessarily a dig at US hunters, because it's not you guys, nor your methods, that we're debating.
    I'm aware of the regalia that often goes with fox hunting. That's why I mentioned it. If fox hunting is just a domain of the rich, again, why is it any of your business? The rich also have nicer cars, homes, and entertainment systems than the rest of us. The griping about "class" seems petty to me

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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I'm aware of the regalia that often goes with fox hunting. That's why I mentioned it. If fox hunting is just a domain of the rich, again, why is it any of your business? The rich also have nicer cars, homes, and entertainment systems than the rest of us. The griping about "class" seems petty to me
    Why is it any of our business? The same reason we created animal rights? And don't turn this into a class issue your complicating the issue at hand.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    I think the mistake you're making here is assuming that critism of fox hunts is critism of hunting in general, and that the points we're making about UK fox-hunts are also criticisms of US hunting. You're taking the arguments out of context, basically.

    Hunting in the US is pretty disimliar to the methods of fox-hunting parties in the UK, which is what we're talking about in this thread. What we're saying here about class issues and cruelty isn't necessarily a dig at US hunters, because it's not you guys, nor your methods, that we're debating.

    I look at it this, as one that would lose his/her Livestock to a Predator. (Live Stock dies,,,I lose).: You're Happy if I can do nothing about it..
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

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    Why is it any of our business? The same reason we created animal rights? And don't turn this into a class issue your complicating the issue at hand.
    Someone else was complaining about "class" in the beginning of this thread. I was responding to it. I'm not in favor of having dogs tear a fox apart alive, but I'm asking, as long as it meets certain reasonable regulations, why is hunting any of the government's business?

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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    I look at it this, as one that would lose his/her Livestock to a Predator. (Live Stock dies,,,I lose).: You're Happy if I can do noting about it..
    If I'd actually said anything even vaguely like that, you might have a point. All I said was that criticism of the British practice of fox-hunting should not automatically be taken as criticism of hunting in other nations and hunting using other methods.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Someone else was complaining about "class" in the beginning of this thread. I was responding to it. I'm not in favor of having dogs tear a fox apart alive, but I'm asking, as long as it meets certain reasonable regulations, why is hunting any of the government's business?
    If this hunting harms the enviournment due to the yearly, and large losses, of fox numbers, therefore damaging the sensitive balance of the ecosystem, i believe its every right of the government to get involved.

    Another reason imo, fox hunting isnt something that can be regulated by government regulators. It may be an illegal practise to use dogs during fox hunting, but who says they wont use that method of hunting against the Foxes? And if so who will see or say anything? Its the countryside. So they just banned the practice outright. Again, imo.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I'm aware of the regalia that often goes with fox hunting. That's why I mentioned it. If fox hunting is just a domain of the rich, again, why is it any of your business? The rich also have nicer cars, homes, and entertainment systems than the rest of us. The griping about "class" seems petty to me
    It's our business because it involves animal cruelty. That's just as unacceptable whether it's being perpetrated by the lord of the manor, or a tramp in the gutter. The class remark was also brought up in response to claims that fox-hunting is a neessary method of pest-control. It's not. It's an upper-class hobby, not the favoured method of culling rural pests, so if we're going to debate, let's call it like it is.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    If I'd actually said anything even vaguely like that, you might have a point. All I said was that criticism of the British practice of fox-hunting should not automatically be taken as criticism of hunting in other nations and hunting using other methods.
    Right... I'm reminded of a Ping-Ball Game.

    Have you ever "Hunted"?
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Right... I'm reminded of a Ping-Ball Game.

    Have you ever "Hunted"?
    I've accompanied others on hunts, although the only shooting I do is at clay pigeons. Why?

    You'll also notice I've stated no opposition to hunting at any point in this thread. I have no particular issue with hunting, or with culling pests. So exactly what about my stating my stance is like a Ping Pong Game?
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    It's our business because it involves animal cruelty. That's just as unacceptable whether it's being perpetrated by the lord of the manor, or a tramp in the gutter. The class remark was also brought up in response to claims that fox-hunting is a neessary method of pest-control. It's not. It's an upper-class hobby, not the favoured method of culling rural pests, so if we're going to debate, let's call it like it is.
    Shooting a fox is no more cruel than eating a hamburger. You don't need to do either, but they both die for one's enjoyment. It is often an upper class hobby, but I already adressed this.

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