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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Is it just me who had a image of that? lol
    I think the image of hunting deer with dogs is just as bad, banned in Scotland in 1959, England in 2004, still legal in NI I think.

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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Here in Virginia, it's much better to have a Hunt, than have a bloody Deer come crashing thru your Car Window at 65 MPH. We've well over 300,000 of the bloody buggers in our State alone. Plus we have a Program to turn in the Game for the Needy.

    Venison, for the Poor.
    do you use a pack of dogs and men women and children riding horses to hunt the deer?

    In my second home in Croatia, wild boar hunting was regulated to certain area's in the north and is regulated to seasons ect, this was because they were hunted to near extinction, they are now a problem, I shot one that was raiding the grape vines at the house in Drnis, fantastic eating.

    In the Delnice national park, one of a number of national parks, in the Hotel in the park I ate hunters grill which was made up of culled Deer, Bear, and Boar, all shot, we also have Wolves there, according to the people who run Delnice NP when there are enough wolves the should not be a need to cull deer and boar, they will then if it is needed have to cull the Wolves by humane methods.

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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    I think the image of hunting deer with dogs is just as bad, banned in Scotland in 1959, England in 2004, still legal in NI I think.
    Is it really?
    Why is NI exempt?


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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Here in Virginia, it's much better to have a Hunt, than have a bloody Deer come crashing thru your Car Window at 65 MPH. We've well over 300,000 of the bloody buggers in our State alone. Plus we have a Program to turn in the Game for the Needy.

    Venison, for the Poor.
    Yeah .... because foxes regularly dive infront of our cars

    And besides, i highly doubt you hunt in the same way that is done here. Do you kill the deer in one shot?


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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    do you use a pack of dogs and men women and children riding horses to hunt the deer?

    In my second home in Croatia, wild boar hunting was regulated to certain area's in the north and is regulated to seasons ect, this was because they were hunted to near extinction, they are now a problem, I shot one that was raiding the grape vines at the house in Drnis, fantastic eating.

    In the Delnice national park, one of a number of national parks, in the Hotel in the park I ate hunters grill which was made up of culled Deer, Bear, and Boar, all shot, we also have Wolves there, according to the people who run Delnice NP when there are enough wolves the should not be a need to cull deer and boar, they will then if it is needed have to cull the Wolves by humane methods.
    Not needed. We've plenty of "Game Trails" to follow. I'll make a tree stand, and let the deer find me. We've National and State Parks the Game reside in.

    Since we've very few "Natural Predators" around in the South, the Hunt is needed to Cull the Herds. Or,,, they starve to death in the winter. We've no Wolves returned as of yet, but the Coyotes are making a come back. Also,,,we're getting more and more Wild Boar. Nasty creatures,,,they breed like pigs. And destroy the forest, farmland, and are dangerous to our domestic livestock, and Humans...

    They're shot on sight. Ahhh,,,"Smoked Ham".
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    I think the image of hunting deer with dogs is just as bad, banned in Scotland in 1959, England in 2004, still legal in NI I think.
    I don't want to give you the wrong impression. We've still some folks that keep "Hunting Packs"...I never liked it myself. I prefer to Hunt. I consider that "Lazy" in using dogs.

    I've a large freezer that's full year round. Nothing's wasted.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    'Shoot foxes'? I beg your pardon?
    Do you know how their 'culling' happens?
    They get dressed up, drink wine. Then let loose a pack of dogs to chase teh fox until it is exhausted then kill it and/or tear it apart.
    That may be the custom, but really all you need for fox hunting is a firearm, some ammo, and some foxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    They do not do it for culling. They do it for sport. Difference.
    It is one thing killing to protect farm animals, go ahead. Bullet to the head.
    There are other methods of killing a animal.
    Actually some do, just like in the US with deer. If it's for sport, they don't seriously reduce populations, and they don't "torture" the animal, why is it any of your business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    And at least i have the good grace to be honest about it. Wessex seems in denial when he says there is no class issue undertones for both sides.
    This isn't about class. Many hunters in the US are avid hunters. Some of the paraphanalia and ritual may be exclusive to the rich, but you don't need all of that to hunt foxes. Also, even if yu premise is correct, why the Hell is it any of your business?
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yeah .... because foxes regularly dive infront of our cars

    And besides, i highly doubt you hunt in the same way that is done here. Do you kill the deer in one shot?
    It depends. During "Bow Season",,,I end up having to do some tracking. I shoot for a Lung/Heart. I admit it isn't quick sometimes. But effective. We have different restrictions imposed on us during the Hunting Season. Since I'm not interested in a "Trophy", I prefer a quick shot in the head, with a 30 Cal. lever action Winchester rifle. From my Grandfather.

    That's quick.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Firstly that is a gross misrepresentation. Secondly so what if it was?
    I disagree, and if it is, great, but don't present it as if it's a necessary means of controlling pests. It isn't.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    That may be the custom, but really all you need for fox hunting is a firearm, some ammo, and some foxes



    Actually some do, just like in the US with deer. If it's for sport, they don't seriously reduce populations, and they don't "torture" the animal, why is it any of your business?



    This isn't about class. Many hunters in the US are avid hunters. Some of the paraphanalia and ritual may be exclusive to the rich, but you don't need all of that to hunt foxes. Also, even if yu premise is correct, why the Hell is it any of your business?
    I think the mistake you're making here is assuming that criticism of fox hunts is critism of hunting in general, and that the points we're making about UK fox-hunts are also criticisms of US hunting. You're taking the arguments out of context, basically.

    Hunting in the US is pretty disimliar to the methods of fox-hunting parties in the UK, which is what we're talking about in this thread. What we're saying here about class issues and cruelty isn't necessarily a dig at US hunters, because it's not you guys, nor your methods, that we're debating.
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