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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    And I my morality is religious but as I said you could hold a very similar economic philosophy to me on purely secular grounds. Many people from Thomas Jefferson to Henry George to Peter Kropotkin to Ralph Borsodi have. Not that I'm in an way ashamed of religious motivations, I'm not a liberal, I believe traditional religion is extremely important for society.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    If it involves the government and spirituality, its no no mate.
    Again your focusing on that word but I must say rubbish. All human society is within the moral sphere.

    Do you not believe in laws against child labour? Or dodgy consumer goods? The idea that you can separate economic areas completely from the rest of society I'm not sure. And I struggling to see your social conservatism here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Again your focusing on that word but I must say rubbish. All human society is within the moral sphere.

    Do you not believe in laws against child labour? Or dodgy consumer goods? The idea that you can separate economic areas completely from the rest of society I'm not sure. And I struggling to see your social conservatism here.
    Your trying to base the economic system on Catholicism for christ sakes.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    And I my morality is religious but as I said you could hold a very similar economic philosophy to me on purely secular grounds. Many people from Thomas Jefferson to Henry George to Peter Kropotkin to Ralph Borsodi have. Not that I'm in an way ashamed of religious motivations, I'm not a liberal, I believe traditional religion is extremely important for society.
    Who are you to decide it is important for a society? Its values certainly are, but if people dont believe in your religion and those values, then they should be free from it being pushed onto them by the economy. Wtf?
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Being American, I find it very intresting that this issue provoked so many posts and so much passion. If anyone does fox hunting in that manner in the US, I'm not aware of it, though it is possible.

    In some hunting sports, we do use dogs, but primarily to find and/or corner the critter in question before it is shot dead, or in the case of birds to find and retrieve same after the shot.

    Not my country, so I have little opinion on the matter.

    One thing someone said, about a fox hunt group tearing up his vegetable garden: yeah, that definately shouldn't be allowed, or at a minimum suitable compensation plus a little extra for the bother and mess. Are the hunts allowed to cross other's private property without leave? Sounds like they are.

    I grew up a farmboy, and I hunt sometimes, but my family tradition was to make a clean kill with one shot if at all possible, in order to be humane. It wasn't some big philosophy, just my Dad said "if you can't make a clean kill, better not to take the shot. Don't want it to suffer more than we can help."

    Otherhandwise, I can see where Wessexman is coming from: if these hunts take place in the countryside, it seems like it is the business of the folks living in the countryside whether they want it to be legal or not, and what sort of regulations might apply.

    None of my business really, I'm on the other side of the big pond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Your trying to base the economic system on Catholicism for christ sakes.
    When did I say that? In fact I have repeatedly said you can base most of it on secular ethics and many have. Not that I'm ashamed to admit religious morality and simply referencing that is not an argument mate.

    I'm wondering why we are discussing this topic any more. I have yet to see any real comprehension from you on this topic. At least try and get a grip on what I'm actually saying and advocating.

    Was Thomas Jefferson a Catholic? Was Henry George? Was Peter Kropotkin or Lewis Mumford or Kirkpatrick Sale or the Southern Agrarians?

    Also you haven't answered my questions on child labour laws or gov't intervention in the economy or really responded to my points on economics and society in any proper way.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Being American, I find it very intresting that this issue provoked so many posts and so much passion. If anyone does fox hunting in that manner in the US, I'm not aware of it, though it is possible.

    In some hunting sports, we do use dogs, but primarily to find and/or corner the critter in question before it is shot dead, or in the case of birds to find and retrieve same after the shot.

    Not my country, so I have little opinion on the matter.

    One thing someone said, about a fox hunt group tearing up his vegetable garden: yeah, that definately shouldn't be allowed, or at a minimum suitable compensation plus a little extra for the bother and mess. Are the hunts allowed to cross other's private property without leave? Sounds like they are.

    I grew up a farmboy, and I hunt sometimes, but my family tradition was to make a clean kill with one shot if at all possible, in order to be humane. It wasn't some big philosophy, just my Dad said "if you can't make a clean kill, better not to take the shot. Don't want it to suffer more than we can help."

    Otherhandwise, I can see where Wessexman is coming from: if these hunts take place in the countryside, it seems like it is the business of the folks living in the countryside whether they want it to be legal or not, and what sort of regulations might apply.

    None of my business really, I'm on the other side of the big pond.
    It's more of an upper-class passtime than anything else, really. It's much quicker, and far more cost-effective, for a farmer just to shoot any persistent pests, than it would be for him to dress up pretty, round up a group of friends on horseback and go jaunting around the countryside for a few hours.
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    When did I say that?
    Its an ideology made by a bunch of Catho's/Anglo's aint it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    It's more of an upper-class passtime than anything else, really. It's much quicker, and far more cost-effective, for a farmer just to shoot any persistent pests, than it would be for him to dress up pretty, round up a group of friends on horseback and go jaunting around the countryside for a few hours.
    Firstly that is a gross misrepresentation. Secondly so what if it was?
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    Re: Tories "will scrap hunting ban"

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Its an ideology made by a bunch of Catho's/Anglo's aint it?
    Narrow distributism is. Broader philosophies that could be classed as distributism are not necessarily. I have said this several times.

    I have repeated I have no shame in saying I have a Christian view of man however.

    You didn't answer the rest of my post, though that perhaps was because I edited it. Here is the rest:

    In fact I have repeatedly said you can base most of it on secular ethics and many have. Not that I'm ashamed to admit religious morality and simply referencing that is not an argument mate.

    I'm wondering why we are discussing this topic any more. I have yet to see any real comprehension from you on this topic. At least try and get a grip on what I'm actually saying and advocating.

    Was Thomas Jefferson a Catholic? Was Henry George? Was Peter Kropotkin or Lewis Mumford or Kirkpatrick Sale or the Southern Agrarians?

    Also you haven't answered my questions on child labour laws or gov't intervention in the economy or really responded to my points on economics and society in any proper way.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 08-24-09 at 09:27 PM.
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