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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    You are clearly not seeing where I am coming from.

    There would be no enemy combatants against US military if we didn't invade a sovereign nation...

    There would be no civilian shields if there weren't American bullets aimed at them.

    There would be no investigations if the CIA focused on protecting US citizens instead of Iraqi and Afghani ones.

    If you lived on a block where bad people lived all around you. Would it be ok for you to kill all your neighbors and be safe? Or put a gate up, walk softly, and carry a big stick.

    I'm not scared of a terrorist in Jordan, a terrorist in Iraq, in Afghanistan, or in Canada even. I'm scared of terrorists in the US. And if you think for a second we will kill every terrorist in the world and prevail...you are direly mistaken. So let's protect us here.

    I'm not here to argue with you. I'm here to tell you there are better ways.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    The protections have already been "divined." The law is the law. And again, many of these KILLERS are suspect. Many of them in fact innocent...

    I am talking about the people who never dealt with a terrorist. The family eating at a restaurant blown up by the US because they thought MAYBE Saddam was there. The kids caught in crossfire. The Father taken to Guantanamo because he was forced by a terrorist to pick up a rifle or his wife will be raped and murdered.

    No they don't. It is nowhere near implied. There is no excuse - however, if you are convinced it is the job of the US to stop such atrocities, we should bomb Indonesia, Pakistan, and at least a dozen other countries if it is truly your goal to stop such atrocities.

    I am entirely serious here. It is not a farcical claim to say many more innocent lives have been lost in the years after Saddam than when Saddam was in power. And I am not blaming the troops. They did not decide to go to war.

    It was "a HUGE bi-partisan decision to go to war" based on FALSE premises of such "facts" like their massive munitions depots of WMD's, their ability to make a nuke within 2 years, and an unproven link of Saddam to Al Queda.

    If I sound like nonsense to you, my time here is done.
    Response will be forthcoming tomorrow...I have work to do.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    You are clearly not seeing where I am coming from.

    There would be no enemy combatants against US military if we didn't invade a sovereign nation...
    So, what country had we invaded prior to 9/11?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI;1058214483[I
    ]"Carry on! Now perhaps you want to argue that providing these thugs a clean cell, medical care, three meals a day, recreation time, Korans and prayer rugs as being inhumane; but that would require the willful suspension of disbelief."[/I]

    NOT ALL OF THEM ARE THUGS. Your assumptions of guilt toward anyone being suspect of anything is the core fault in whatever the hell it is you are trying to justify. If I am in jail because I am on trial for murder, am I guilty? According to you, I am.
    What part of non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on foreign soil do continue to refuse to comprehend or willfully wallow in denial from?

    Good lord dude; you're like a broken record! This is like wallowing in a circle of futility where you make a farcical claim, get called on it yet continue to make farcical claims without acknowledging the facts presented.

    Again; what part of non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on foreign soil do continue to refuse to comprehend or willfully wallow in denial from?

    Let me try this, perhaps then the light will turn on; were any of the "thugs" in Gitmo captured on US Soil committing a crime?

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Panama, Grenada, Haiti, Kuwait, Cambodia, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cuba. That doesn't count US gov't backed coups in Bolivia, Guatemala, Chile, Zaire, El Salvadore, Liberia, Chad, and Iran. All those happened in the past 40 years. All for pure political reasons. Iraq and Afghanistan is no different.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Actually, International law does. Read about it sometime. I have yet to find the part of the Geneva Convention that condones torture...
    I've already educated you on the inapplicability of the GC to non-uniformed combatants.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    US Law applies to foreigners on foreign soil?
    Whether or not the actions were technically illegal, don't you think it's reprehensible for the US government to engage in actions that it defines as torture?

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    What a fine American you are!

    Gleefully supporting the illegal torture of "suspected" terrorists.

    [ Want a great example of how degraded and debased this Country has become????..............the right wing has no qualms whatsover about advocating torture for the "right reasons"................in the past someone who said this would be rightly treated as a vile outcast.. no matter what what side you stood on]
    Enough liberal rhetoric.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Whether or not the actions were technically illegal, don't you think it's reprehensible for the US government to engage in actions that it defines as torture?
    It depends on the circumstances because, unlike some bed-wetters I could mention, I don't reflexively label "torture" as being categorically immoral.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Let me try this, perhaps then the light will turn on; were any of the "thugs" in Gitmo captured on US Soil committing a crime?
    Look dude, are the rights derived from the creator set forth in our declaration of independence meant only for the privilege of the few while the rest are subjugated to a covenant of works or are these rights for all peoples! maybe you should go and read the original City on the Hill speech by John Winthrop 1630 or documents by the founders rather then just the interpretations by the new Romish princes who as in old would subjugate America into works.

    As for the quote on top of this post, the answer is no. No crimes were committed by thugs on US soil. That is my point. They did nothing to me. They commited no crime on US soil, and are being held in non US territory, yet somehow, the US can judge them, and how they shall be treated, and what cause is needed to hold them. We shall not be so quick to judge. Even most of the guilty ones did nothing more than defend their way of life from our occupation. If Canadian troops accidentally killed your son and told you their way of life was "enlightening" would you not protect your home? I would be fighting as hard as they are.
    and so it goes...

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