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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I would think it would be half the thugs fault and half our own.
    Really?? So what did the THUGS have to offer the Afghans and Iraqi's that was better than Democracy and representative government and what tactics of blowing up mosques, markets and schools justified them?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    You try to take away some lines in the sand but stand firmly behind others.
    I see what you are typing, but it is false. I stand by the FACTS and REALITIES that confront us in this fight against a philosophy that thinks nothing of flying huge airliners filled with innocents into civilian buildings full of innocents, or, who show little compunction with sawing the heads off their captives while filming it for the consumption of others who are filled with nothing but hate.

    I find it contemptible for you to attempt to suggest otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    You are a fan of using oppression to gain advantages. But most shouldn't.
    Really??? Once more we see you engaging in farcical hyperbolic nonsense about me personally that you would be hard pressed to prove based on my previous comments/arguments.


    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Keyboard warriors stand behind lots of things but.... in the end they still only use a keyboard.
    Really? So you are more than just another keyboard warrior?

    This farcical claim desperately attempts to argue that one must be a "warrior" in order to debate war; but it is what can be expected from those who argue against our efforts in this war in a vacuum of the reality and facts of 9-11 that should have awoken us from our deep slumber wallowing in denial.

    Divining Geneva Conventions or Constitutional rights for terrorists speaks volumes to the Democrats and Liberal inability to comprehend anything beyond petty partisan hyperbolic blather in their weak attempts to impugn their political opponents in the court of public opinion while lacking any proof to substantiate their asinine claims.
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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    thier laws and LE methods.
    And in other first world countries their laws make it criminal to torture you and you'd be protected under it. So again our laws make it criminal for our citizens to engage in torture.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Divining Geneva Conventions or Constitutional rights for terrorists speaks volumes to the Democrats and Liberal inability to comprehend anything beyond petty partisan hyperbolic blather in their weak attempts to impugn their political opponents in the court of public opinion while lacking any proof to substantiate their asinine claims.
    SUSPECTED TERRORISTS! Not proven terrorist. SUSPECTED. Why must you advocate a steady deconstruction of what makes America so great? What if those Americans who were captured in North Korea were tortured because they MIGHT have information or MIGHT be spies. There would be a god damn UPROAR. We stooped lower than communist North Korea and you are somehow, someway for that. I am certainly and profoundly disgusted by such sheer ignorance. This should not be equated to a partisan issue. This is AMERICA.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    First of all, no one blamed "troops"...they did not choose to fight these wars.
    The farcical rhetoric you blather this forum suggests that you feel otherwise; who do you think is "killing" all those innocents who are being used as shields by those innocent terrorists we picked up you so desperately wish to divine Constitutional and Geneva Protections for?

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    The Bush administration did. Your plays on topicality is also an impressive game of mental gymnastics.
    This is about as asinine as blaming our troops. Again the notion that Bush is guilty of the deaths caused by these thugs, despots and terrorists requires such a vast willful ignorance as to be beyond reasonable comprehension.

    I guess it doesn't even begin to occur to you, in your willful hyper partisan denial, that the killing would never have occurred if not for the efforts of these despots, thugs and terrorists?

    But again, with that notion, one would also have to make the incredible stretch of willful ignorance to suggest that these thugs, despots and terrorists have a legitimate claim for blowing up mosques, markets and schools and using civilians as human shields to protect themselves while killing coalition forces.

    It takes an "Alice in Wonderland" philosophy that avoids reason and logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    We are not defending the rights of these murderous thugs either. We are defending the moral fabric of the USA, so more people don't want to blow us up.
    No you are not; you could care less about "moral" fabric. If you did, you wouldn't make such farcical claims against the very people trying to prevent these terrorist thugs from killing people like YOU.

    This is nothing less than a partisan politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    And please for the love of God, get back to me when "the world is rid of terrorists." If you are so gung ho to blow up countries to protects thier MAJORITY opinions, you would love it if Obama invaded NK, Iran, most of Africa, China, Russia, half of South America, Gaza, Pakistan, some of Latin America, and finally, Washington DC.
    You just cannot seem to help yourself can you? I have highlighted what amounts to nothing more than empty headed hyperbolic nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    PS...Obama did not convince me by pure deception into thinking the wars we have chosen to fight are not in the best interest of the US or in the best interest of the thousands of dead civilians who will never get to vote in their new democracy. Bush did.
    Bravo; you ended your nonsensical diatribe with what I consider would be the poster child remarks for the Liberal Democrats that naively suggest that Bush forced us into a war of choice with no justification for it while ignoring the FACT that it was a HUGE bi-partisan decision to go to war with a vast coalition of support from 36 other nations and the previous Democrat Administration.

    This is almost as absurd, ironic and asinine as the Liberal argument that Bush is such a moron but such a genius that he was able to fool the nation and highly intelligent Liberal Democrats and 36 other nations into a war based on lies.

    People like you just cannot help yourselves when it comes to nonsensical hyperbolic talking points can you?

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    It also amazes me how the argument went from "They didn't torture anybody!" to "Torture is OK!"
    and so it goes...

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    SUSPECTED TERRORISTS! Not proven terrorist. SUSPECTED.
    What part of non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on foreign soil do you still not comprehend or willfully wallow in denial from?

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Why must you advocate a steady deconstruction of what makes America so great?
    Once again you engage in mindless hyperbole.

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    What if those Americans who were captured in North Korea were tortured because they MIGHT have information or MIGHT be spies. There would be a god damn UPROAR.
    Once again you attempt to defend absurdity with more absurdity.

    North Korea is a nation represented by a recognized Government with a UNIFORMED military; what part of non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on foreign soil do you still not comprehend or willfully wallow in denial from?

    Now with that FACT aside, are you trying to suggest that North Korea does not engage in torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    We stooped lower than communist North Korea and you are somehow, someway for that.
    Only because you and other hyper partisan Liberals say so; but a majority in this country would disagree with your desperate hyperbolic assertions about this Government.

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    I am certainly and profoundly disgusted by such sheer ignorance. This should not be equated to a partisan issue. This is AMERICA.
    I find this comment profoundly ironic coming from you based on the desperate farcical assertions you have made so far.

    Carry on; as Barney Franks once said to a constituent, I would be better served talking to a table.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    It also amazes me how the argument went from "They didn't torture anybody!" to "Torture is OK!"
    The argument never was anything you are desperately asserting; the efforts of our CIA and Military did not constitute the definition of torture and the desperate rhetoric you spew suggesting that we are anything like North Korea is beyond detestable.

    But then, when you are filled with vitriol and hate for your political enemies, this kind of diatribe is to be expected. Honesty, the truth and the facts have no place in your desperate attempts to impugn this nation and its administration for attempting to protect it's citizens and others.

    Here is the UN definition so that you are not continuing to wallow in such obvious denial:

    Definition of torture
    Article 1 of the Convention defines torture as:

    Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

    Convention Against Torture, Article 1.1

    Actions which fall short of torture may still constitute cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment under Article 16.


    Carry on! Now perhaps you want to argue that providing these thugs a clean cell, medical care, three meals a day, recreation time, Korans and prayer rugs as being inhumane; but that would require the willful suspension of disbelief.


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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The farcical rhetoric you blather this forum suggests that you feel otherwise; who do you think is "killing" all those innocents who are being used as shields by those innocent terrorists we picked up you so desperately wish to divine Constitutional and Geneva Protections for?
    The protections have already been "divined." The law is the law. And again, many of these KILLERS are suspect. Many of them in fact innocent...


    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This is about as asinine as blaming our troops. Again the notion that Bush is guilty of the deaths caused by these thugs, despots and terrorists requires such a vast willful ignorance as to be beyond reasonable comprehension.


    I guess it doesn't even begin to occur to you, in your willful hyper partisan denial, that the killing would never have occurred if not for the efforts of these despots, thugs and terrorists?
    I am talking about the people who never dealt with a terrorist. The family eating at a restaurant blown up by the US because they thought MAYBE Saddam was there. The kids caught in crossfire. The Father taken to Guantanamo because he was forced by a terrorist to pick up a rifle or his wife will be raped and murdered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    But again, with that notion, one would also have to make the incredible stretch of willful ignorance to suggest that these thugs, despots and terrorists have a legitimate claim for blowing up mosques, markets and schools and using civilians as human shields to protect themselves while killing coalition forces.
    No they don't. It is nowhere near implied. There is no excuse - however, if you are convinced it is the job of the US to stop such atrocities, we should bomb Indonesia, Pakistan, and at least a dozen other countries if it is truly your goal to stop such atrocities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    No you are not; you could care less about "moral" fabric. If you did, you wouldn't make such farcical claims against the very people trying to prevent these terrorist thugs from killing people like YOU.

    This is nothing less than a partisan politics.
    I am entirely serious here. It is not a farcical claim to say many more innocent lives have been lost in the years after Saddam than when Saddam was in power. And I am not blaming the troops. They did not decide to go to war.



    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You just cannot seem to help yourself can you? I have highlighted what amounts to nothing more than empty headed hyperbolic nonsense.

    Bravo; you ended your nonsensical diatribe with what I consider would be the poster child remarks for the Liberal Democrats that naively suggest that Bush forced us into a war of choice with no justification for it while ignoring the FACT that it was a HUGE bi-partisan decision to go to war with a vast coalition of support from 36 other nations and the previous Democrat Administration.
    It was "a HUGE bi-partisan decision to go to war" based on FALSE premises of such "facts" like their massive munitions depots of WMD's, their ability to make a nuke within 2 years, and an unproven link of Saddam to Al Queda.


    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This is almost as absurd, ironic and asinine as the Liberal argument that Bush is such a moron but such a genius that he was able to fool the nation and highly intelligent Liberal Democrats and 36 other nations into a war based on lies.

    People like you just cannot help yourselves when it comes to nonsensical hyperbolic talking points can you?
    If I sound like nonsense to you, my time here is done.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    That's not even close to what I was saying Detector. I'm taking the conservative position here that being the rule of law. The original part was that people were saying a threat to one's life isn't torture. Under US Law it is
    I keep seeing this "rule of law" argument; yet cannot seem to find any credible evidence of the CIA or the military having broken laws in their interrogation efforts other than a few isolated cases where abuse did occur and the perps were prosecuted for it.

    Apparently you are studying law in an education system that breeds economic and legal ignorance.

    But do not worry, the terrorists are cheering the efforts to divine rights for them and desperately attempt to impugn the very Government and employees in that Government that attempted to protect you from them.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    "Carry on! Now perhaps you want to argue that providing these thugs a clean cell, medical care, three meals a day, recreation time, Korans and prayer rugs as being inhumane; but that would require the willful suspension of disbelief."

    NOT ALL OF THEM ARE THUGS. Your assumptions of guilt toward anyone being suspect of anything is the core fault in whatever the hell it is you are trying to justify. If I am in jail because I am on trial for murder, am I guilty? According to you, I am.
    and so it goes...

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