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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    You measure one side. Now lets measure another. How many people have died from accidental civilian casualties and from being processed through all entities involved from our occupation of the country?
    So, when cornered with your own farcical hyperbole, you now want to suggest that our troop’s actions caused the deaths of these civilians and that it was NOT the efforts of the insurgents and terrorists?

    What fascinating mental gymnastics it must take to suggest that the efforts of our soldiers to rid the planet of terrorists and remove a despotic regime who desired, developed and wanted to develop more WMD's and had invaded two neighboring nations to further the megalomaniacal efforts of its leaders and who defied the agreements it had signed after being defeated, are to blame.

    I am always amused when primarily those with Liberal and Leftist political philosophies, attempt to blame our troops for the efforts of terrorists, thugs and murderers.

    I guess for people like you, it doesn't occur to you that if these murderous thugs had not attempted to obstruct the desire of the MAJORITY of the people in Afghanistan and Iraq to have representative Government, no innocent lives would be lost.

    I guess for people like you, it doesn't occur to you that these murderous thugs primary strategy was to sway public opinion against the coalition by killing and blowing innocents?

    I guess for people like you, it doesn't occur to you that by speaking out against your own and defending the rights of these murderous thugs, you are falling for Osama's tactics and propaganda?

    Of course, if you are aware of the above, then perhaps your goal is not to use your common sense and deal with REALITY, but simply to play hyper partisan politics which attempts to impugn those who disagree with your politics in the court public opinion?

    Whatever it is, it certainly makes ZERO sense and defies common sense and the REAL implications of our actions.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    US Law applies to foreigners on foreign soil?
    Actually, International law does. Read about it sometime. I have yet to find the part of the Geneva Convention that condones torture...
    and so it goes...

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So, when cornered with your own farcical hyperbole, you now want to suggest that our troop’s actions caused the deaths of these civilians and that it was NOT the efforts of the insurgents and terrorists?

    What fascinating mental gymnastics it must take to suggest that the efforts of our soldiers to rid the planet of terrorists and remove a despotic regime who desired, developed and wanted to develop more WMD's and had invaded two neighboring nations to further the megalomaniacal efforts of its leaders and who defied the agreements it had signed after being defeated, are to blame.

    I am always amused when primarily those with Liberal and Leftist political philosophies, attempt to blame our troops for the efforts of terrorists, thugs and murderers.

    I guess for people like you, it doesn't occur to you that if these murderous thugs had not attempted to obstruct the desire of the MAJORITY of the people in Afghanistan and Iraq to have representative Government, no innocent lives would be lost.

    I guess for people like you, it doesn't occur to you that these murderous thugs primary strategy was to sway public opinion against the coalition by killing and blowing innocents?

    I guess for people like you, it doesn't occur to you that by speaking out against your own and defending the rights of these murderous thugs, you are falling for Osama's tactics and propaganda?

    Of course, if you are aware of the above, then perhaps your goal is not to use your common sense and deal with REALITY, but simply to play hyper partisan politics which attempts to impugn those who disagree with your politics in the court public opinion?

    Whatever it is, it certainly makes ZERO sense and defies common sense and the REAL implications of our actions.
    I would think it would be half the thugs fault and half our own. You try to take away some lines in the sand but stand firmly behind others. You are a fan of using oppression to gain advantages. But most shouldn't. Keyboard warriors stand behind lots of things but.... in the end they still only use a keyboard.
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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So, when cornered with your own farcical hyperbole, you now want to suggest that our troop’s actions caused the deaths of these civilians and that it was NOT the efforts of the insurgents and terrorists?

    What fascinating mental gymnastics it must take to suggest that the efforts of our soldiers to rid the planet of terrorists and remove a despotic regime who desired, developed and wanted to develop more WMD's and had invaded two neighboring nations to further the megalomaniacal efforts of its leaders and who defied the agreements it had signed after being defeated, are to blame.

    I am always amused when primarily those with Liberal and Leftist political philosophies, attempt to blame our troops for the efforts of terrorists, thugs and murderers.

    I guess for people like you, it doesn't occur to you that if these murderous thugs had not attempted to obstruct the desire of the MAJORITY of the people in Afghanistan and Iraq to have representative Government, no innocent lives would be lost.

    I guess for people like you, it doesn't occur to you that these murderous thugs primary strategy was to sway public opinion against the coalition by killing and blowing innocents?

    I guess for people like you, it doesn't occur to you that by speaking out against your own and defending the rights of these murderous thugs, you are falling for Osama's tactics and propaganda?

    Of course, if you are aware of the above, then perhaps your goal is not to use your common sense and deal with REALITY, but simply to play hyper partisan politics which attempts to impugn those who disagree with your politics in the court public opinion?

    Whatever it is, it certainly makes ZERO sense and defies common sense and the REAL implications of our actions.
    First of all, no one blamed "troops"...they did not choose to fight these wars. The Bush administration did. Your plays on topicality is also an impressive game of mental gymnastics. We are not defending the rights of these murderous thugs either. We are defending the moral fabric of the USA, so more people don't want to blow us up. And please for the love of God, get back to me when "the world is rid of terrorists." If you are so gung ho to blow up countries to protects thier MAJORITY opinions, you would love it if Obama invaded NK, Iran, most of Africa, China, Russia, half of South America, Gaza, Pakistan, some of Latin America, and finally, Washington DC.

    PS...Obama did not convince me by pure deception into thinking the wars we have chosen to fight are not in the best interest of the US or in the best interest of the thousands of dead civilians who will never get to vote in their new democracy. Bush did.
    Last edited by JakeFromWI; 08-25-09 at 02:38 PM.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Ahhhh, but there is the failure of the Liberals and Leftists desperate efforts to impugn the people who were desperately trying to protect us post 9-11; it isn't American Soil and only the more desperate and outrageous arguments can even suggest such an absurdity.

    Gee, those poor terrorists; how DARE our fellow citizens for attempting to protect us from more attacks!! We need to now prosecute them so we can send a message of asinine proportions to all our enemies that we will do NOTHING to bring them to justice and will give them Constitutional rights for no other reason than we can claim to the world we are sooooo much better than our enemies.

    I am sure you will enjoy explaining that to the next families who lose loved ones in future terrorist assaults on our country.

    That's not even close to what I was saying Detector. I'm taking the conservative position here that being the rule of law. The original part was that people were saying a threat to one's life isn't torture. Under US Law it is

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    wait, if the law does not apply to them, then thier is no "complaintant", no?
    Again Rev you're focusing on a misdirection. The law applies to the person doing the torture not to the detainee themselves. Its the protections that apply. Really if foreigners didn't have rights under our laws what would stop you from going out and torturing people in other countries?

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Who cares. They deserve to be tortured. Even if they are just suspects and did no wrong. This is America! We can do whatever we want then tell the folks we pee on that its for their own good. I feel safe now that Saddam was hung. It was so pertinent to my very livelihood. I'm so happy people were incinerated and water boarded and threatened and wire tapped. The terrorists have been defeated!
    and so it goes...

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Who gives a **** that it was fake. It is not the fake potential loss of life I would be worried about. It is making people sign **** under duress that I worry about. We all know that the torture itself could very well be harmless. But if someone signs something away simply because they signed and where caught up at the wrong moment at the wrong time.... That would be very ****ed up. And who can scale the amount of which this happens?



    Who said anything about "signing" anything?


    I just wan't those that would kill you, to be caught beforehand.
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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Again Rev you're focusing on a misdirection. The law applies to the person doing the torture not to the detainee themselves. Its the protections that apply. Really if foreigners didn't have rights under our laws what would stop you from going out and torturing people in other countries?



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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Who said anything about "signing" anything?


    I just wan't those that would kill you, to be caught beforehand.
    Future crime is gay. Learn to accept what happens. Stop those that do bad from doing it again. That's really the best one could do I feel.
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