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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    What I have found is the loudest cheerleaders defending torture are invariably the ones who have never risked even getting a paper cut defending their country in real life. Most of them have never even served their country in the military.
    They are the Dick Cheney's of these forums.....The "Keyboard Heroes" of the internet who are very brave sitting in their mother's home & yelling heroic BS the loudest.
    In short, they are the lowest cowards that exist & just turn my stomach!
    Really? Well, what I have found is the loudest cheerleaders defending terrorists are invariably the ones who have never risked even getting a paper cut defending their country in real life. Most of them have never even served their country in the military.

    They are the Nacy Pelosi and Clinton's of these forums.....The "Keyboard Heroes" of the internet who are very brave sitting in their mother's home & yelling anti-soldier BS the loudest.

    In short, they are the lowest cowards that exist & just turn my stomach!

    See how easy it is to spew hyperbolic BS on an internet forum?

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    What I have found is the loudest cheerleaders defending torture are invariably the ones who have never risked even getting a paper cut defending their country in real life. Most of them have never even served their country in the military.
    They are the Dick Cheney's of these forums.....The "Keyboard Heroes" of the internet who are very brave sitting in their mother's home & yelling heroic BS the loudest.
    In short, they are the lowest cowards that exist & just turn my stomach!
    By the way, did you serve your country and if so, what capacity?

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Interesting page of info i thought I'd tack in here.


    Torture Memos vs. Red Cross Report: Prisoners’ Recollections Differ from Guidelines - ProPublica


    ICRC: Eight of the fourteen alleged they were deprived of solid food for periods ranging from three days to one month. This was often followed by a period when the provision of food was restricted and allegedly used as an incentive for cooperation. Two other detainees alleged that, whilst they were not totally deprived of food, food was provided intermittently or provided in restricted amounts.

    ABU ZUBAYDAH: Mr. Abu Zubaydah alleged that in Afghanistan, during the initial period of two to three weeks while kept constantly sitting on a chair, he was not provided with any solid food, but was provided with Ensure (a nutrient drink) and water. After about two to three weeks be began to receive sold food (rice) to eat on a daily, once a day, basis. Approximately one month later, during a resumption of intense questioning he was again deprived of food for approximately one week and only given Ensure and water.
    I think we need more quicker and thorough investigations on all this. When you have near starvation written in guidelines to where humans can lose considerable weight and relocation a part of the way things are then you have a NAZI mechanism. I'm not saying that is how it is operating right now but it has potential to be abused in such a way. We don't need people being shifted around like a gambling card until they wither away and end up becoming a "swine flu" case.

    I think it is time to shine full light on our dark goings on.
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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Really? Well, what I have found is the loudest cheerleaders defending terrorists are invariably the ones who have never risked even getting a paper cut defending their country in real life. Most of them have never even served their country in the military.
    Stop this crap TD. No one is defending terrorists. What we are defending is our country choosing to do what is right.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Interesting page of info i thought I'd tack in here.

    Torture Memos vs. Red Cross Report: Prisoners’ Recollections Differ from Guidelines - ProPublica

    I think we need more quicker and thorough investigations on all this. When you have near starvation written in guidelines to where humans can lose considerable weight and relocation a part of the way things are then you have a NAZI mechanism. I'm not saying that is how it is operating right now but it has potential to be abused in such a way. We don't need people being shifted around like a gambling card until they wither away and end up becoming a "swine flu" case.

    I think it is time to shine full light on our dark goings on.
    Let's look at these facts a little closer:

    "Eight of the fourteen alleged "

    "and allegedly used as an incentive"

    "Mr. Abu Zubaydah alleged"


    So what you are asking us to do is take the "allegations," to a Liberal organization like the ICRC, of confessed terrorists against the word of the honorable men and women of the armed forces and CIA and make baseless claims that they operated illegally.

    Is that what you are attempting here? I'll ignore the attempts to equate these Government servants to Nazi's; it is hardly worthy of honest debate.
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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Stop this crap TD. No one is defending terrorists. What we are defending is our country choosing to do what is right.
    Stop what? You didn't have the same qualms with this statement?

    Originally Posted by Devil505
    What I have found is the loudest cheerleaders defending torture are invariably the ones who have never risked even getting a paper cut defending their country in real life. Most of them have never even served their country in the military.

    They are the Dick Cheney's of these forums.....The "Keyboard Heroes" of the internet who are very brave sitting in their mother's home & yelling heroic BS the loudest.

    In short, they are the lowest cowards that exist & just turn my stomach!


    The hypocrisy is strong with this one padawan.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Let's look at these facts a little closer:

    "Eight of the fourteen alleged "

    "and allegedly used as an incentive"

    "Mr. Abu Zubaydah alleged"


    So what you are asking us to do is take the "allegations," to a Liberal organization like the ICRC, of confessed terrorists against the word of the honorable men and women of the armed forces and CIA and make baseless claims that they operated illegally.

    Is that what you are attempting here? I'll ignore the attempts to equate these Government servants to Nazi's; it is hardly worthy of honest debate.
    No maybe these are token showoffs to get out into public a tactic that we use. Ever think that maybe techniques like this are used on people that aren't as valuable as these high up terrorists? That is why we all need to know exactly what we are doing. You don't have full monitorization because you are putting people in extremely controlled situations and delete tapes. That is hiding something. And if tapes get deleted then people need to get pissed and dig up some bones.
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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Stop what? You didn't have the same qualms with this statement?

    Originally Posted by Devil505
    What I have found is the loudest cheerleaders defending torture are invariably the ones who have never risked even getting a paper cut defending their country in real life. Most of them have never even served their country in the military.

    They are the Dick Cheney's of these forums.....The "Keyboard Heroes" of the internet who are very brave sitting in their mother's home & yelling heroic BS the loudest.

    In short, they are the lowest cowards that exist & just turn my stomach!


    The hypocrisy is strong with this one padawan.
    Hey TD. Note the award I have. Note that you don't have it. While I am not going to condone those other statements, they where, in reference to you more accurate, and not nearly as offensive to my mind is saying those against torture and the breaking of US laws are defending terrorists.

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    Re: CIA report has new details of prisoner abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    No maybe these are token showoffs to get out into public a tactic that we use. Ever think that maybe techniques like this are used on people that aren't as valuable as these high up terrorists? That is why we all need to know exactly what we are doing. You don't have full monitorization because you are putting people in extremely controlled situations and delete tapes. That is hiding something. And if tapes get deleted then people need to get pissed and dig up some bones.
    Well hell, why don't we just share all our secrets with the American people and while we are at it hand over our CIA manuals to the terrorists so they can see exactly what their rights will be and how to avoid telling us **** in the future!

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